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Kim Dotcom's extradition to the U.S. given green light by New Zealand

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Post by HaZeust »

rustcleaner wrote: post #956
malwrar wrote: post #911

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The problem is, then they just go after the tools. There’s absolutely nothing stopping one from creating a pirate streaming tool based on e.g. torrents, but popcorntime doesn’t exist precisely because the movie industry frowned intensely at them. The core problem is that the government, if compelled to act, seems able to do whatever it wants to protect rich people’s interests. Cute loopholes like making tools vs shar…

Because people don't generally build from the ground up like they're selling fake IDs and cocaine on the darknet. They have no experience, and no understanding on how normal everyday choices and behaviors leave trails which track back to them. When they register a domain, did they use false info? Payment cards well detached from their identities? Do they post code to GitHub with accounts tied to their personal e-mail…

Write yourself a guide on how-to and empower the next, then.

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Post by Blot2882 »

harperlee wrote: post #878
Blot2882 wrote: post #842

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> if there are victims in 20 countries that why would any third party have priority for enforcing their law That's not really relevant. No one is arguing priority. "Priority" implies there's 20 countries fighting to prosecute someone and we need to resolve it. In this case, it was a cooperation between multiple countries who agreed someone needed to be prosecuted, regardless of which country did it.

The point being why should any argument in this line end up with “lets extradite him to the US”, when he is already in a cooperating country that will enforce acceptable local law. And his own country, where he resides, and where the did the purported crimes.

> The point being why should any argument in this line end up with “lets extradite him to the US”

Because New Zealand is willing to and he broke the law in the U.S. as well? Why would there be an argument at all?

You were criticizing someone's argument and brought up two points of your own that don't make sense to me. Drug cartel members DO get extradited.

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Post by doctorpangloss »

LouisSayers wrote: post #879
BobAliceInATree wrote: post #778

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I don't think anyone, even the diehardest fans of Apple, thinks that Apple's RAM upgrade prices are reasonable. But we pay it for the same reason that people pay Porsche an extra $10k for a trim package — because you accept the high-margin upgrade as the cost of the item itself.

You pay because they started glueing them in... Back in 2012 you could upgrade the RAM yourself. Now there's no real alternative.

This is what I am talking about. "There's no [practicable] alternative" is possible with the level of lock in and vertical integration that Apple has. Whereas PC manufacturers cannot really charge so much for storage and RAM, because you can upgrade.

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Post by sumedh »

adwn wrote: post #953
sumedh wrote: post #875

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> Claude, do not let you create password accounts, to make it less practicable to share a subscription. How does that prevent sharing, you can just setup email forwarding with someone else you want to share the account.

>> […] less practicable […] not impossible . Having to forward login emails creates more friction than sharing a password once.

> Having to forward login emails creates more friction than sharing a password once.

You can set up automated email forwarding, its a one time process just like sharing passwords.

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Post by Taniwha »

theultdev wrote: post #960
Taniwha wrote: post #739

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Our populace is pretty heavily armed, hunting is pretty ingrained in the national psyche. No one's arguing for getting rid of hunting rifles. Pistols and semiautomatics, things designed to kill people are illegal and most of us are quite happy with that, especially after we had a foreign terrorist kill 100 innocent people in a mosque.

terrorist do illegal things, including smuggling in guns. not great to take away firepower from citizens while the terrorists have guns. you end up waiting around for the police, which may or may not be prepared or even arrive on time.

The terrorist who shot 100 people in the mosque came to NZ because we used to allow semi-automatics, and his home country didn't, he bought them here, it's why we banned them - to make it harder for terrorists

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Post by dennis_jeeves2 »

rustcleaner wrote: post #791
preaching5271 wrote: post #24

I appreciate Kim Dotcom for running MegaUpload and later Mega, in a time when the internet was younger and wilder. Also for his pirate spirit and "stick it to the man" attitude. But everything has a limit, specifically his resistance against the law, even if he hid it behind virtues. I think it's clear for everybody that one cannot get away with this kind of stuff, once governments get involved. Isn't it wiser to sto…

>Isn't it wiser to stop at some point, and find other stuff to do, even if all your nerves say otherwise? No, you make tools which are easily copied and spread which disempower states and groups and instead empower individuals to act unimpeded. You make tools which make it impossible to enforce copyright or any other state imperative because everybody has the tools needed to neutralize the group attempting to use for…

Thanks, your response made my day. In practice though it's a lonely and a difficult battle for those who are even remotely capable, most of us or not. Side note: I'd argue that the larger problem is not the state, it the masses who enable them, by their ignorance and stupidity.

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Post by SideQuark »

hnisoss wrote: post #749
SideQuark wrote: post #684

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Solely making a copy isn't copyright infringement, otherwise your ISP, your browser cache, the CDNs providing data caching on the internet, your screen, your router, and about a million other components in the stream would need a license for each piece of data. Infringing copyright requires far more than this. And if the output is transformative, then they can read whatever public facing information they can find, ju…

If I steal loaf of bread from bakery to make bread statue what does the guy who delivered bread have to do with my act of thievery? Is he also a thief just because bread was transported in his van to the bakery? What the heck are you going on about with isp, router, screen etc? Btw, have you heard about HTTPS and what it does, while we are at it?

Read the thread. The upvotes are because I did read the thread before replying.

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Post by suprjami »

ProofHouse wrote: post #451
slashtab wrote: post #445

Meanwhile nothing for mega corporation pirating data to train AI.

It’s not pirating. It’s transformative and fair use. Derivative even in some cases. Each piece of content is but a grain of sand on an island. It’s called the open internet.

It's called the open internet when the same rule applies to everybody.

This is one rule for corporations and another rule for individuals.

Additionally, there is often with little or no recourse when the latter are falsely accused.

Look and the frustration of YouTubers evoking DMCA takedowns for including 5 seconds of a commercial song accidentally.

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Post by Sakos »

alphabettsy wrote: post #773
akira2501 wrote: post #743

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I'd go with "Anarcho-capitalist." Which of course explains their allure and the desire to retroactively improve their origin stories. They stand precisely in the face of what the OP himself retroactively considers. > "I think it's clear for everybody that one cannot get away with this kind of stuff, once governments get involved." Which is the mantra of the bullied. As if we aren't the government. When precisely did…

I think if we’re having an honest argument this has nothing to do with copyright protection being 70 years. I’d be willing to bet a massive amount of money that most pirated media is less than a few years old. I don’t believe that we as a society are ever going to decide that copyright protection should be less than that.

I've recently been pirating 30 and 40 year old games. It's pure insanity that it still counts as piracy.

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Post by refurb »

snickerbockers wrote: post #968
SentientAtom wrote: post #917

You really need not look any further than this thread for what-about-isms and attack-the-man arguments. The fact Hacker News of all places is going to bat for the RIAA and US Industrial Complex leaves me disappointed. Top comment reads something like "Yea but maybe its time to call it quits", well I guess that's how meaningful fights should end, giving up because the adversity is too great or the fight has lasted too…

I'm convinced that online discourse is overrun with LLMs shilling for various corporations and governments based on how many sycophants and bootlickers suddenly appeared on every social media platform after chatGPT went public.

Or, stay with me here, you hold a viewpoint that most people don't hold?

Nothing wrong with that, and you should share your viewpoints freely. But I think it's pretty clear that the vast majority of Americans agree with the protection of intellectual property, and acknowledge that sharing copywritten material is piracy, even if they do it themselves.

Blaming AI seems like using it as a balm for your cognitive dissonance.

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