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Twitter kills its San Francisco headquarters, will relocate to South Bay

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Re: Twitter kills its San Francisco headquarters, will relocate to South Bay

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Post by s1artibartfast »

flanked-evergl wrote: post #894
s1artibartfast wrote: post #890

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The obvious answer is they don't, and it is a tough problem to fix

The way I see it, the main way in which the citizens of SF can fix it is by voting for something different, but they don't. So it certainly does seem like they find the status quo preferable to alternatives.

They might be wrong, but that doesnt mean they like living in squalor.

Even if your solution is 100% workable, your statement is like saying a man must really like drowning because they dont know how to swim.

I guess I dont think it isn't very constructive.

Re: Twitter kills its San Francisco headquarters, will relocate to South Bay

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Post by anukin »

pyeri wrote: post #781
hintymad wrote: post #412

There is a famous paper about the location of company headquarters: they get as close as possible to the residence of company CEOs. If we don't consider the CEO's influence, I'm actually curious if the location of company headquarters has to do with the average age of the employees in the Bay Area. As the employees start to have families, they most likely move to the south bay for better or for worse, and I have a ha…

Here in India, it's a wide mystery why most startups prefer to headquarter in Bangalore. It made sense two decades ago but today there are several other Indian cities like Vizag, Nasik, Noida, Gurugram, Chandigarh, etc. which are more equipped, have better infrastructure and even lower cost of living. Still most folks prefer Bangalore just because it has been like that since ages and popularly called the "IT Hub". Bu…

Nobody in their right mind would ever setup an office in Delhi or adjacent regions. The office politics alone should deter half of the people. The rest is taken care of by the increased crime rate, pollution and attitude of people. Vizag, Kochi, Pune, Chandigarh etc are all much better cities. In both the kind of people they attract as well as the overall quality of developers.

Re: Twitter kills its San Francisco headquarters, will relocate to South Bay

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Post by anukin »

hindsightbias wrote: post #523
hintymad wrote: post #412

There is a famous paper about the location of company headquarters: they get as close as possible to the residence of company CEOs. If we don't consider the CEO's influence, I'm actually curious if the location of company headquarters has to do with the average age of the employees in the Bay Area. As the employees start to have families, they most likely move to the south bay for better or for worse, and I have a ha…

There’s no housing south of SF. That’s why the Menlo/PA/SC crowd originally invaded SF. It was cheap and hip.

MP and PA(not eastern) have a shortage. Santa Clara does not. It’s still pretty cheap to buy a house in SC compared to anywhere in the belt between San Mateo to Cupertino.

Re: Twitter kills its San Francisco headquarters, will relocate to South Bay

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Post by diogenescynic »

diebeforei485 wrote: post #941
hamandcheese wrote: post #819

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Isn't van ness station closer to Twitter?

The Van Ness station is not particularly pleasant either. Come out of the subway and see this: https://x.com/sfdsrvsbttr/status/1809986173844279305?s=46

It gets much much worse than that at night (even as early as 7pm) so it would be pretty valid to not want to be in that area and have to leave the office and take public transportation. I wouldn't want my spouse or child to have to walk through that den of hell at night... it's extremely sketchy. Check this out for example: https://www.instagram.com/p/C-RuONoqOeP/?utm_source=ig_web_c...

Re: Twitter kills its San Francisco headquarters, will relocate to South Bay

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Post by diogenescynic »

roberto2016 wrote: post #698
devoutsalsa wrote: post #685

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I used live in the Tenderloin and work in the Twitter building. My walk to work required me to be mindful of both stationary and recently minted poop in transit. This was in 2019.

I used to live in the Tenderloin in late 90's early 00's. Nice affordable studio on Turk. There was always a diverse party going on during the day on the streets. Definitely had an old fashion skid-row vibe. Market street wasn't too bad then. Ah the memories.

It's exponentially worse now with fentanyl and meth plus now there are now social repercussions or consequences and you can steal to fund your habit with no consequences. It's a sick sad society that would allow this and not see it as an injustice to man. To not intervene is bad enough, but SF actively enables this crap by giving out cash (adult assistance program) and needles (without requiring them to turn in dirty needles). But the voters get what they vote for.. so I guess they want this. This is what it looks like now on 6th/7th and Market: https://www.instagram.com/p/C-RuONoqOeP/?utm_source=ig_web_c... it's always been bad, but this is insane. I took BART to Civic Center for concerts and bars many many nights and it was never like this until the pandemic. I blame all city leaders, voters, and SFPD for allowing this to continue unabated.

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Post by nox101 »

bob_theslob646 wrote: post #884
nox101 wrote: post #384

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I don't know about the move to San Jose specifically but 9th-10th and Market in SF is arguably not a nice place currently. This is 2 blocks away https://www.ktvu.com/news/report-workers-at-sf-federal-build... This is 2 blocks away https://sfstandard.com/2024/07/15/sideshow-crash-market-stre... This is 1 block away https://sfstandard.com/2023/04/10/downtown-san-francisco-who... I hope SF can fix itself but it's arguab…

But you don't think that will change with the executive order from newson to remove homeless camps? Does Elon think that the talent he has in SF will just magically move? That's why I'm puzzled

> But you don't think that will change with the executive order from newson to remove homeless camps?

I don't remember there being homeless camps on Market but maybe I missed them. I saw them in other places around SF though. So unless there's more to it I don't expect just cleaning up the homeless camps to be enough to fix SF.

> Does Elon think that the talent he has in SF will just magically move?

How much talent does x/twitter require? Facebook/Apple/Amazon/Google/Microsoft have 20-30-50-100 different products each, some of those products with 50-100 teams for different parts of the product. X seems like it has 1 product with 4-ish features. Posts, Ads, Video, Direct Messages. Is there more?

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Post by elbear »

devsda wrote: post #886
elbear wrote: post #880

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What's the explanation? Better schools in Bangalore or something else?

Access to better schools is a factor in selecting a locality within the city but I don't think it has been a deciding factor in deciding the city itself. Many cities including tier-2 cities have a variation of one of those "international" schools that parents seek and there's no significant difference in the quality of education between them. Apart from the usual cycle of available talent + job opportunities, Bangalo…

I see. So it's a matter of geography basically.

Re: Twitter kills its San Francisco headquarters, will relocate to South Bay

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Post by ahaseeb »

thatfrenchguy wrote: post #610
curiousllama wrote: post #481

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Cities' attractiveness feels u-shaped Young adults love it bc they have the time to go to bars/restaurants/clubs Middle aged folks hate it because they're so busy - they can't take advantage, and other people get in their way (some) Older folks like it again bc they have the time to go to restaurants/theater

I don't know, the residential neighborhoods of SF are the perfect place to raise a family if you make tech money: dense enough that there is a ton of stuff to do and your kid knows other kid nearby, low density enough that you get 1500-2500sqft to yourself.

Nah. We moved out of SF to East Bay for the same reason. It's not safe with kids

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Post by onetokeoverthe »

dunham wrote: post #745
thatfrenchguy wrote: post #610

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I don't know, the residential neighborhoods of SF are the perfect place to raise a family if you make tech money: dense enough that there is a ton of stuff to do and your kid knows other kid nearby, low density enough that you get 1500-2500sqft to yourself.

We bailed for seattle because we could get a bigger house and have a better school situation. We did enjoy living on the border between the mission and noe valley before that though.

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Re: Twitter kills its San Francisco headquarters, will relocate to South Bay

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Post by astrange »

not_alexb wrote: post #843
astrange wrote: post #824

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The Bay doesn't have a homogenous population, you just don't know any locals.

I've lived all along the West Coast from Tijuana to Seattle. There is no place along this coast which I would call homogeneous except the Bay. I would challenge your locals statement, but at this point, I've wasted too much time on No True Scotsman fallacies for this lifetime. Either way, my community was one of the last diverse communities to get priced out of the Bay (around the early 2010s). Yet, you can find my c…

The thing about being priced out is that it can only happen if you aren't a homeowner. If you are a homeowner (or in such a household), the same effect is making you more than $100k a year richer. So you just have to like living with your parents.
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