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Re: Bard is now Gemini, and we’re rolling out a mobile app and Gemini Advanced

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Post by int_19h »

benreesman wrote: post #660
gnicholas wrote: post #630

I'm surprised they got rid of the Bard name. It struck me as a really smart choice since a Bard is someone who said things, and it's an old/archaic enough word to not already be in a zillion other names. Gemini, on the other hand, doesn't strike me as particularly relevant (except that perhaps it's a twin of ChatGPT?), and there are other companies with the same name. EDIT: I can see the advantage of picking a name t…

In an increasingly commodity game (the big player LLM game), it’s already starting to hit the asymptote on the main levers: ties to NVIDIA and/or TSMC, serious financing capacity, and enough engagement channel to push it through. (There is much great work happening outside of the Peninsula). I always thought GPT-4 was a little “HAL 9000” of a name for broad-based adoption, but the jury seems in, and the jury rules “c…

ChatGPT's claim to fame is as bleeding edge tech, and it's squarely down that alley.

Re: Bard is now Gemini, and we’re rolling out a mobile app and Gemini Advanced

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Post by int_19h »

tuan wrote: post #892
gnicholas wrote: post #630

I'm surprised they got rid of the Bard name. It struck me as a really smart choice since a Bard is someone who said things, and it's an old/archaic enough word to not already be in a zillion other names. Gemini, on the other hand, doesn't strike me as particularly relevant (except that perhaps it's a twin of ChatGPT?), and there are other companies with the same name. EDIT: I can see the advantage of picking a name t…

I'm so glad that they've changed the name :) Bard is really difficult for me, a non-native English speaker, to pronounce correctly. I think most people from my country (Vietnam) pronounce Bard as "bahd". Gemini on the other hand is so easy to pronounce.

"baaahd" is more or less how native British English speakers would pronounce it.

Re: Bard is now Gemini, and we’re rolling out a mobile app and Gemini Advanced

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Post by int_19h »

cflewis wrote: post #649
gnicholas wrote: post #630

I'm surprised they got rid of the Bard name. It struck me as a really smart choice since a Bard is someone who said things, and it's an old/archaic enough word to not already be in a zillion other names. Gemini, on the other hand, doesn't strike me as particularly relevant (except that perhaps it's a twin of ChatGPT?), and there are other companies with the same name. EDIT: I can see the advantage of picking a name t…

Gemini is Latin, my guess is it more easily translates to other languages than Bard.

It really depends. Some languages don't use "special" words for astrological signs, so it's literally the same word as "twins". Which is a really weird name for a product.

Re: Bard is now Gemini, and we’re rolling out a mobile app and Gemini Advanced

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Post by int_19h »

kevinmchugh wrote: post #594
ipsum2 wrote: post #82

In the 20 minutes of experimentation, I'm really impressed with the quality of Bard Advanced (Gemini Ultra). The results are as good as GPT-4, and in some cases is better. So far: pros: - better at translation (tried Chinese and Japanese idioms to English) - better at incorporating search results in its answer vs gpt-4 bing cons: - slightly worse at coding - censorship is more annoying (have to ask multiple times abo…

On logic it cannot handle the Dumb Monty Hall problem at all: https://g.co/gemini/share/33c5fb45738f

My favorite test to scramble LLM brains is this simple rehash of the old puzzle.

"Doom Slayer needs to teleport from Phobos to Deimos. He has his pet bunny, his pet cacodemon, and a UAC scientist who tagged along. The Doom Slayer can only teleport with one of them at a time. But if he leaves the bunny and the cacodemon together alone, the bunny will eat the cacodemon. And if he leaves the cacodemon and the scientist alone, the cacodemon will eat the scientist. How should the Doom Slayer get himself and all his companions safely to Deimos?"

The trick, of course, is to make it confusing compared to the original. So far, the only model I've seen get this right is GPT-4 (which can one-shot it). Everything else gets hopelessly confused even if you force step-by-step reasoning, and even if you try to have the model iteratively review its own outputs. In most cases, they produce a wrong answer, can spot the problem in it, but when trying to fix it introduce another error ad infinitum.

This new Gemini is no exception - it gives results similar to GPT-3.5. Worse, even, because it can't even reliably catch its own mistakes:

https://g.co/gemini/share/7d219bd6bbe2

For comparison, here's GPT-4:

https://chat.openai.com/share/ec5bad29-2cda-48b5-9aee-da9149...

Re: Bard is now Gemini, and we’re rolling out a mobile app and Gemini Advanced

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Post by shostack »

jimmyl02 wrote: post #553
bilalq wrote: post #547

> Your conversations are processed by human reviewers to improve the technologies powering Gemini Apps. Don’t enter anything you wouldn’t want reviewed or used. I appreciate them being upfront with that, but for a paid feature, it sucks that they offer no privacy or opt-out mechanism.

It seems like you can disable the data being used from training by turning off gemini app activity. > You can turn Gemini Apps Activity off If you don’t want future conversations reviewed or used to improve machine-learning models, turn off Gemini Apps Activity Opens in a new window .

Can you even access the opt out though before it hoovers up your messages and logs from the last 90 days? I didn't proceed because that didn't seem possible.

The word "future" in what you quoted is doing a lot of heavy lifting.

My assumption is you have to give it access to all your data, which it then processes for before you can opt out of it.

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Post by int_19h »

neuronexmachina wrote: post #882
zooq_ai wrote: post #327

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Also as time goes by, it'll get smoothly integrated into docs/gmail/maps/calendar/youtube/search/colab/sheets/android/assistant So Gemini could by your one-stop AI shop for everything. Only Microsoft can match it (but Microsoft doesn't have a popular maps, youtube, mail, smartphone OS service). Apple is another strong player (but they don't have productivity tools like docs, sheets or youtube). It really is Google's…

> It really is Google's to lose this AI race from now on. I was curious and apparently Google/Deepmind had 184 papers at NeurIPS/NIPS 2023: https://www.reddit.com/r/MachineLearning/comments/185pdax/d_... For comparison, Stanford has 130, MIT has 130, and Carnegie-Mellon has 112. Microsoft had 68, and Facebook/Meta/FAIR had 56.

This is all well and good, but they've had a year now to respond to GPT-4, and so far they haven't delivered anything close.

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Post by anticensor »

simion314 wrote: post #74

The level of stupidity caused by corporate censorship is extreme in Bard, I ask it(medium one) to generate a few paragraphs of content and it did it. Then I ask it to revise the text and fix some stuff and it refused the task because of plagiarism concern, no amount of logic could make the stupid AI understand that we "own" the f text we created just now and we can edit it.

Self-plagiarism is a real concern in some use cases.

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Post by stefan_ »

cooper_ganglia wrote: post #776
rob74 wrote: post #773

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Gem-in-eye? Ouch! Also, Gemini was appropriate for the space program because (a) there were two astronauts in the capsule and (b) because of the constellation, "aiming for the stars" and all that. For the Google project however I can't come up with a plausible explanation - Google doesn't even try to give a reason for the name either.

From The Decoder: >In April 2023, Alphabet announced the merger of its two AI units, Google Brain and Deepmind. The resulting Google Deepmind was to focus on developing large multimodal AI models. It was a big move that showed how much pressure Google was under due to the massive success of ChatGPT. Jeff Dean, head of Google Brain until the merger with Deepmind, became the new merger's chief scientist, with a direct…

It is funny how there is all this elaborate discussion here when it was just corporate officers jerking each other off all along. Occam’s razor.

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Post by cubefox »

gnicholas wrote: post #669
a_wild_dandan wrote: post #663

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To me, bard just sounds phonetically gross. Reminds me of “fart” or “beard.” It calls to mind medieval stuff: the Monte Python mud scene, Skyrim’s most annoying NPCs, plucking lutes. But Gemini? That sounds like a legendary space mission; this collective engineering push against the boundaries of human knowledge. I do not have refined tastes. My b.

I remember when the iPad was announced, and everyone said that people would only ever think of feminine products when they heard the name. It might have been true for a few months, but now it seems quaint that we ever had such concerns.

Still, what was wrong with iSlate?
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