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Bob Lee, former CTO of Square, has died after being stabbed in San Francisco

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Re: Bob Lee, former CTO of Square, has died after being stabbed in San Francisco

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People in big cities get mugged, sometimes violently. This happened in Republican led cities when I was young. It happens in Democratic led cities now. It happens in London. It happens in Moscow. You can have policy differences with the government of San Francisco, but please don't capitalize on this tragic death to advance them. It's exploitive and disrespectful to Bob Lee's family. I know I'm whistling in the wind,…

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Re: Bob Lee, former CTO of Square, has died after being stabbed in San Francisco

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People in big cities get mugged, sometimes violently. This happened in Republican led cities when I was young. It happens in Democratic led cities now. It happens in London. It happens in Moscow. You can have policy differences with the government of San Francisco, but please don't capitalize on this tragic death to advance them. It's exploitive and disrespectful to Bob Lee's family. I know I'm whistling in the wind,…

On the other hand, a good time to debate about how to make our cities safer is now. Today. Bob Lee's tragic death can be a catalyst. The loss must be immeasurable to his family. Wow. That doesn't mean we should throw our hands up and say violence happens everywhere. I think spurring us to action would be a small positive in a sea of tragic loss. It's not at all commensurate, but it's something.

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Re: Bob Lee, former CTO of Square, has died after being stabbed in San Francisco

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I come from Ciudad Juarez. Between 2008-2011, the city was the murder capital in the world and basically unlivable. My brother and I were no longer living there because we were in college. My parents decided to send my sister, then starting highschool, to a city in central Mexico with friends of the family to avoid having her grow up in what was a life and death environment. My parents stayed. Mexicans speak a lot ab…

>> The most basic definition and purpose of the state is to hold the monopoly of violence. It must jealously protect this. The alternative is unsustainable anarchy followed by someone else filling that void. Can we re-phrase "monopoly of violence" to maintaining the rule of law. The government has an obligation to maintain the rule of law. Monopoly on violence by itself does not provide real legitimacy.

You can't maintain a rule of law without the state having a monopoly on violence. Violence is the only way to enforce law.

Re: Bob Lee, former CTO of Square, has died after being stabbed in San Francisco

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There are enough comments on here that I am probably not adding much new, but I lived in SF for 10 years until recently. When I arrived (from New York City) I thought — hey, it's a bit sketchy but not so bad overall. I think it got progressively worse every year. I have no idea what policy changes would help, but it's the only place I've ever been where I saw crime being committed in broad daylight. It's the only pla…

Having seen Toronto spiraling into the same mayhem of random vagrant street violence in the same moment when rents exploded, I'm firmly with the housing advocates on this: People think mental health causes homelessness, but it looks increasingly like it's the other way around -- cities with bad housing crises and insufficient shelter systems (NYC is notable for having an excellent shelter system compared to its peers…

I think the problem is when people are incapable of grappling with their demons even in the privacy of their own homes. If given a place to stay, many people _choose_ to use it for non-productive things. Surely, exploding housing prices make things worse, but it's also easy enough to see why productive members of society want to distance themselves from this destructive behavior. After all, even the excellent shelter that you claim for NYC doesn't really seem to have resulted in paradise.

Re: Bob Lee, former CTO of Square, has died after being stabbed in San Francisco

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Americans clearly have very low expectations for their standard of living. As demonstrated by the amount of insane 'actually the murder rate isn't that bad' comments in this thread.

Nationalistic flamewar will get you banned here. It's not what this site is for, and destroys what it is for, so please don't post like this here—regardless of how other commenters are behaving. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

> Please don't post shallow dismissals, especially of other people's work.

I think you are violating this guideline.

Re: Bob Lee, former CTO of Square, has died after being stabbed in San Francisco

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I have commented on SF threads before regarding the violent crime. I don't think we have figured out if this was premeditated or not, but either way, SF is becoming incredibly dangerous. Progressive DA's and a neutered police force are to blame for the rise in violent crime. Many of my friends have taken their remote gigs and left SF in the last 3 years. What's the point in rolling the dice every time you walk outsid…

It’s of questionable taste to use someone’s death to advance your politics when the facts are known and can be fairly used as evidence that your tribe is right about something. It’s in poor taste indeed to acknowledge that you don’t know the facts of a murder, and to still insist that the killing supports your politics.

I can see why people would think the second point is "poor taste" (although I'm not sure if I agree), but definitely don't see why the first would be "questionable".

Re: Bob Lee, former CTO of Square, has died after being stabbed in San Francisco

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I'm so sick of crime in the Bay. We need to be way tougher on crime. Immediate life sentences without parole for murder, ending catch+release for property theft. The mere thought of stealing, or attacking a stranger, or dealing drugs illegally, must become so unappetizing that they simply refuse to do it even when they have no other options.

The event that sparked all this conversation is the homicide of Bob Lee. If we're talking about the problem of car break-ins, robberies, or vandalism, that's one thing. But on the matter of homicide, SF (6.35)¹ tracks closely to the national average (7.8)². Property crime is what substantially contributes to the image that SF is an unsafe city. --- [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_cities_b...…

Do you know what's a great predictor for a high crime rate? High levels of wealth inequality. Yes, the poors are more likely to turn to crime (at least the kind of crime that has officers with gun chase you around rather than the kind that requires expensive lawyers) but there's less incentive (and spite) if everyone in the neighborhood is similarly poor.

Re: Bob Lee, former CTO of Square, has died after being stabbed in San Francisco

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I come from Ciudad Juarez. Between 2008-2011, the city was the murder capital in the world and basically unlivable. My brother and I were no longer living there because we were in college. My parents decided to send my sister, then starting highschool, to a city in central Mexico with friends of the family to avoid having her grow up in what was a life and death environment. My parents stayed. Mexicans speak a lot ab…

For me it's weird you think that the origin of crime is lack of order. I mean that's the last step in a deteriorating society, but the actual reason comes much before. It's an unfairness a lack of common narrative of well being. And most of all it's from education being neglected and families being broken. The order part you get at the end, after the rot festers.

Re: Bob Lee, former CTO of Square, has died after being stabbed in San Francisco

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I see people excuses this as "it's part and parcel of living in a big city". No it's not, this is a West only phenomenon. Singapore is safe, The entire Japan is safe, Korea, Taiwan. I deliberately removed mainland China cities to avoid "...but authoritarian..." arguments. Plenty of government in the world kept their citizen safe and getting murdered walking down the street is never a risk factor to those dewellers an…

The places you mention may have higher actual wealth disparity in some cases, but they have lower economic disparity, because they all at least guarantee healthcare, among other things. Singapore even guarantees housing. The PRC allegedly guarantees all of it, but when I lived there it sure didn't look like it, I saw tons of abject poverty.

Re: Bob Lee, former CTO of Square, has died after being stabbed in San Francisco

#980

I find it shocking that anyone still chooses to live in this broken city. I left >4 years ago and am never coming back. It's unfixable. Let's move the tech industry somewhere that isn't rotten to the core.

Or, let’s decentralize the center of the tech universe so that everyone can prosper and we don’t fall into this trap again.

I'm fully for that. I'm fully remote now and based in Asia (between HK and Taiwan). I much prefer tech to be decentralized. But if the hub is going to stay in the US and somewhat centralized, almost anything would be better than SF.
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