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Apple halted M2 chip production in January amid 'plummeting' Mac sales

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Re: Apple halted M2 chip production in January amid 'plummeting' Mac sales

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Post by PhilipRoman »

ouid wrote: post #481
KptMarchewa wrote: post #55

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>1650EUR for a laptop that won't have enough ram to run the browser in two years. That did not have enough ram 3 years ago... the fact they are still trying to sell 8GB as an useful amount outside of extremely budget laptops is insane.

There is no justification for putting a computer with 8GB on the market. Not even the most extreme budget computer should be built with 8GB, this is just a scam.

I dunno, got a raspberry pi recently and realized that my daily work environment works just fine at it's peak with 2G of ram. Of course, bigger file cache is always better, but hardly mandatory.

Re: Apple halted M2 chip production in January amid 'plummeting' Mac sales

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Post by lern_too_spel »

aembleton wrote: post #960
lern_too_spel wrote: post #720

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MacBooks aren't made in the US, so the strength of the US dollar has nothing to do with it (except to make the dollar cost of producing them go down).

The design, software and marketing are done in the US though

Design and software is not a variable cost. Marketing costs are per-region and so are not be affected by currency exchange rates.

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Post by bombcar »

wildrhythms wrote: post #966
bombcar wrote: post #839

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The only downside for me with the original M1 was the lack of external monitor support like the previous Pro had. That’s been fixed with the M1 Max.

Can you be more specific? I dock my M1 Air to a 4k display all the time.

Dock it to two - the M1 can only handle one external display; the previous Intel MacBook Pros could do four; and the M1 Max brings this back. I have four external monitors + the internal and the M1 couldn't do it; the M1 Max can so I held out.

(You can do a hacky thing with DisplayLink adapters that emulate a virtual screen somehow but it IS hacky - https://support.displaylink.com/knowledgebase/articles/19166... )

Re: Apple halted M2 chip production in January amid 'plummeting' Mac sales

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Post by kjs3 »

fastaguy88 wrote: post #969
kjs3 wrote: post #781

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Looking there, what do you do with a 10yo Intel Mac Mini when Apple drops support for them (serious question)? If the answer is "load linux", then there are probably better intel based options.

You can use Open Core Legacy Patcher [0] to gain modern support for "unsupported" Macs. [0] https://dortania.github.io/OpenCore-Legacy-Patcher/

Until they drop Intel support, presumedly. But looks interesting. Hopefully less painful than a Hackintosh.

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Post by stametseater »

vetinari wrote: post #723
stametseater wrote: post #669

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Constant backups are essential when using a computer without user-serviceable storage. That or mounting another [network] drive and doing all your work from that instead of internal storage. Otherwise you'll be without your data for hours if not days/weeks whenever something inevitably goes wrong (not even with the storage itself) and you can't simply pull the drive to continue working on another computer.

M1 won't boot without internal storage. The point of the parent comment was not about saving data from the drive, but that the devices are landfill material once they hit tbw limits on their drives, even if they were otherwise in good condition.

Well you'll not hit TBW limits if you're using another drive anyway.

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Post by teetertater »

izacus wrote: post #36

I was just buying a laptop for my family and the prices of MacBooks here in Europe are utterly crazy. The crappiest 8GB RAM (?!) 256SSD M2 Air model is 1650EUR. 1650EUR for a laptop that won't have enough ram to run the browser in two years. The 16GB model is rounded 2000EUR, which was before reserved for a high-end gaming laptops. It's bonkers.

It's painful. To slightly remedy it, you can get a 500€+ discount by buying used and being patient

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Post by hinkley »

dalyons wrote: post #666
hinkley wrote: post #598

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The SD card slot is a pretty good way to get yourself a little more disk space - a perennial problem with students in particular. There are a couple of companies that make aluminum trays sized to exactly fill the sd card slot on older Macbooks and remain flush (there's a detente for sticking a wire in to pull it out. The tray has wiring for a microSD card. On that machine, I moved my iTunes library there. Since it's…

> a perennial problem with students in particular. is it? AFAIK kids these days need less storage than ever before, because everything's cloud based. No one has itunes libraries, its spotify/applemusic subscriptions. etc.

Learning to declutter is a life skill. The younger you are the less likely you’ve climbed that mountain.

Nintendo switch or gaming computer might be a more common problem than music collection.

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Post by runeks »

rbanffy wrote: post #773
runeks wrote: post #767

I bought a MacBook Pro M1 about one and a half years ago, and a week ago I bought a Linux Ryzen laptop, after giving up hope of doing my x86 Linux development on the MacBook. I’ve followed every guide I could find on emulating x86 Linux on my MacBook M1 without success. Also, I bought the MacBook with 32GB RAM, and later found out I needed 64GB, and I wasn’t willing to pay the extra price of selling my old MacBook to…

64 GB is a lot. I wouldn't buy a machine with less than that (Macs tend to last a long time), but, still, wanting to max it out just in case and actually needing it is rare. What are you doing with your computer?

> What are you doing with your computer?

I’m writing Haskell.

* Transpiling Haskell into JavaScript using GHCJS 8.10.7 requires more than 32GB RAM

* haskell-language-server uses about 40% (~26 GB) of my total memory after running for a day or so. Add a couple of REPL sessions and I’m over 32 GB.

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Post by ksec »

jsnell wrote: post #191
ralfn wrote: post #161

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Which is weird, because barely any part of it is produced in the US. So it's not that their costs are going up. They are just not realizing they are self sabotaging in terms of opportunity costs. If they adjust prices to purchasing power, with at least 30% profit marge, windows laptops and chromebooks would be having crisis talks right about now. People would prefer the Apple stuff, but not at that price. Even if you…

> Which is weird, because barely any part of it is produced in the US. So it's not that their costs are going up. It seems pretty likely that most of their supply contracts are using USD as the currency, even if the production is not happening in the US.

Which is the part most people here on HN still somehow dont understand, the world, tech and especially SemiCon are running on USD. Patents are in USD, All your TSMC Wafers are in USDs, and they goes along with most of the stuff produced by TSMC from the likes of Qualcomm. Majority of Design and Software are in USD.

Re: Apple halted M2 chip production in January amid 'plummeting' Mac sales

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Post by ksec »

danaris wrote: post #658
ralfn wrote: post #224

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It makes sense from a tactical point of view. But with the M-line of architecture they had the strategic opportunity to burn the competition.

Like so many before you, you are making the mistake of thinking Apple cares about marketshare. They quite demonstrably don't. They care about profit-share, and about making what they see as the best computers they can. As others note, Apple already takes either a plurality or a majority of the profit in computer sales. What incentive is there for them to reduce their average margins, take on a lot more support respon…

I actually thinks Steve would actually lower the price of iPhone and Mac given how profitable they are now and how much cash they have. Instead of Doing Shares Buy Backs.

>What ruined Apple was not growth … They got very greedy … Instead of following the original trajectory of the original vision, which was to make the thing an appliance and get this out there to as many people as possible … they went for profits. They made outlandish profits for about four years. What this cost them was their future. What they should have been doing is making rational profits and going for market share.”

Just look at the BOM cost of MacBook Air and an iPad Pro. There is not reason why MacBook Air cant be $799.

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