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In theory yes. But Twitter isn't a mix of liberal and conservative. Its straight left.

Twitter is (or was) filled with young, affluent, highly educated (at least college graduate) city dwellers. By any metric that's a demographics that leans heavily left. How is that a surprise that Twitter was straight left?

Because tech workers aren’t always straight left. HN is a fantastic example — it leans much more right than a lot of other internet forums. Partly just because entrepreneurship means you have to get along with capitalism at some level.

Saying this as someone who is progressive. It’s definitely a relatively progressive field, but maybe not as much as you’d think!

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post #446

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I find these kinds of comments hard to respond to. I want to respond in a way that's constructive, but it's hard. It's hard because many Republicans are pushing the US in a direction that will harm millions of Americans in very significant ways. Tucker Carlson and Libs of TikTok all but encourage violence against LGBT people. Republicans are trying to prevent Black people from voting. Many Republicans tried to overtu…

You've clearly put a lot of effort into this post, but I think you need more one on one time with the more reasonable people who now vote Republican as I don't think you'd pass an ideological Turing test atm. Understanding the perspective and desires of those voters (rather than just the impression one hears from social media and the news) is important to then figure out how to appeal to prevent them being alienated.…

I don’t think this is very true, and I have spent time with conservatives. While they don’t think they’re racist, they also think racism is a solved problem (as if all the racist folks in the civil rights area only 60yrs ago just became good somehow?) Religious folk in general (huge part of the GOP base) don’t accept LGBTQ people at all. Policy-wise, the party never even tries to show they support these groups by collaborating on bills in congress, for example.

I mean every individual has different concepts… plenty who aren’t racist but super homophobic. And plenty of religious folks doing good community work and hot hurting anyone (assuming no one came out to them in the church!) So while conservatives vary a lot, it just doesn’t seem the party itself tries to reflect that.

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#973
Really don’t understand conservative narrative. Nothing was blocked or censored. It was easily findable on google and was discussed on twitter. The link to the NY post was removed because of a policy about hacking. Was anybody prevented from knowing about this story? No. Anybody prevented from talking about it? No. This is such nonsense.

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post #538

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> constructive ways the Democrats could be better Reorient the gun control efforts around the statistical realities of how guns are actually killing the most people. Throwing away all their political capital on banning semiautomatic rifles, in a ‘maximum success’ outcome, would prevent something like 2% of all firearm related deaths. I did some napkin math a couple months ago and children are more likely to die of le…

Every human being in the world understands that guns are a clear threat to civil society, except for this bizarre hyperminority of americans who seem to stuck in some anachronistic fantasy universe. Move on.

Don't the Swiss and Canadians have similar gun numbers? Most of the murders are due to gang violence, school shootings and the like are a rounding error.

Re: The Twitter Files

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Really don’t understand conservative narrative. Nothing was blocked or censored. It was easily findable on google and was discussed on twitter. The link to the NY post was removed because of a policy about hacking. Was anybody prevented from knowing about this story? No. Anybody prevented from talking about it? No. This is such nonsense.

Half of politics is about creating narratives and driving media stories. The Hunter Biden Laptop story was an attempt by Republicans to manufacture an “October surprise” - a surprising revelation that occurs just weeks before the election which might cause the public to reorient their choice for.

This particular “Surprise” was actually just a rehash of a conspiracy theory that Republicans were trying to manufacture evidence for. Trump was impeached the first time for extorting a bribe from Ukraine’s Zelenskyy which would allege wrongdoing by Biden.

What he had hoped for was an official announcement of an investigation into Biden from Zelenskyy. But Trump failed to actually corrupt Zelenskyy, so he had nothing to go on come election time.

Cue the October Surprise. This laptop magically appears which appears contain evidence to support the conspiracy theory about Biden. It’s a GOP miracle! But the laptop’s provenance is shady as fuck and the contents still can’t be fully authenticated. So no one really trusts this thing except the most hardcore conservatives. Everyone else can see right through this thing for what it was.

This includes Twitter and the media, many in the media, who had been used by Conservatives in 2016 to distribute hacked materials from the DNC, and didn’t want to be used again in a similar way, so they didn’t play along like clueless idiots this time.

Conservatives were pissed off royally, and decided then to go on a holy war against Twitter, which had been brewing for a while as violent and hateful conservative voices were being pushed off the platform. But the laptop issue was the final straw it seems. Maybe Trump’s ban was the final final straw. These events happened in quick succession so it’s hard to tell.

That brings us to today. Since the laptop itself is a political dud that no one except GOP faithful trusts, Conservatives have decided to reframe the narrative as one of Democrats and Biden having untoward control over social media with the ability to oppress free speech through Twitter, which is not true.

So now we see more manufactured outrage. It turns out that despite what Conservatives say, Democrats don’t actually control Twitter. Quite the opposite is true now actually. But even with a conservative like Musk owning all of the evidence, he can’t prove anything close to the allegation that Democrats suppressed free speech on Twitter, so they pushed out these “Twitter Files” filled with cherry picked quotes and misleading statistics. Obviously this will help Musk to make further inroads with Conservatives since it’s clear he’s given up all pretext of being a neutral steward of Twitter who protects free speech.

This whole thing is a very twisted, so if you take it at face value, you’re really just buying into the narrative being sold by Conservatives. It doesn’t matter that nothing was actually blocked or censored or suppressed. The fact is the laptop is the GOP’s only strategy for winning in 2024, so whatever it is they need. their voters to be very very mad over it.

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what does a particular politician have to do with this? the "leak" literally said both the trump white house and the biden campaign lobbied to have posts removed i think it's kind of funny that the government is lobbying corporation now, rather than the other way around.

It's as if everyone parroting this line stopped reading at the "However": "10.Both parties had access to these tools. For instance, in 2020, requests from both the Trump White House and the Biden campaign were received and honored. However: 11. This system wasn't balanced. It was based on contacts. Because Twitter was and is overwhelmingly staffed by people of one political orientation, there were more channels, more…

Obviously this community is very left leaning and they (used to?) love Elon. So really this is kind of funny to watch.

Re: The Twitter Files

#977

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The irony of that statement is that we're talking about a private company deciding what is or isn't appropriate on its platform, not de jure censorship. It is not Twitter's responsibility to facilitate the Republicans' attempted October Surprise. On the other hand, where Republicans have political power, they are using it restrict speech and rights, by law. "Both sides" are not the same.

This grants that Twitter is partisan though.

No, because "partisan" would imply they work on behalf of a political party. The so-called Twitter Files themselves demonstrate that this is not true.

I'm not here to claim that people working at Twitter are unbiased. Everyone has bias. But also, there's extrinsic bias in what they're dealing with, in the sense that "both sides" aren't doing the same things. One trick is to behave egregiously and then when called out for it, claim bias.

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#978

This is how you promote a technocrat to be later put in the role of the head of one world government: You censor, mute, cancel all dissent for years. You turn homes to prisons and enforce inhumane conditions for people to just be able to "get back to normalcy". You turn voluntary to compulsory. You deprive people of individuality by defacing them with masks. You school their obedience with barefaced surveillance. You…

If you think that adding new words to the language to express concepts with more precision was what 1984 was about - you've really misunderstood 1984! (As the Newspeak project undertaken in the book worked by deleting words to prevent certain ideas from being expressed - the Newspeak dictionary became smaller with every addition.)

Re: The Twitter Files

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post #576

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Nobody on the left cares about protecting Hunter Biden. IF he broke any laws, then he should be in jail. AFAIK, there's no current legal case against him. What you're seeing here is the "left" learning to not take everything the right screams about at face value. They watched Hillary get dragged through the mud with Benghazi over absolutely nothing of substance, including months of Congressional hearings. Thus this n…

What was actually on Hunter Biden's laptop? Can someone give me a link to a succinct, non-partisan list of facts?

The Laptop from Hell https://www.amazon.com.au/Laptop-Hell-Hunter-Secrets-Preside...

And of course, read the user reviews for some insight on the book.

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Why is this propaganda bullshit on the front page. I gotta ask about moderation on HN here. This is literally moderation, "the twitter files" my ass. They pretext political contributions and falsley connect legitimate moderation to that. Of course they should have blocked that story and still should. Oh, but get this, it's their platform they get to do what they want. They are not an impartial government agency. In t…

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These perceptions are notoriously in the eye of the beholder, because people notice the things they dislike and overlook (or undercount) the things they agree with.

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