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Beyond Meat is struggling, and the plant-based meat industry worries

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Re: Beyond Meat is struggling, and the plant-based meat industry worries

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Post by cerved »

friend_and_foe wrote: post #858
cerved wrote: post #479

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The apparent source, AIER a think tank, claims it's a difference between a $5 and $13 big mac. If true, that would be noticed

That math doesn't add up though. $10 a person is naive math, sure, there would be reduced demand which means that some of that cost would be bourne by other purchasers to keep industry revenue stable, and there would be a reduction in production which further compounds this. But it's not a doubling in cost, I think the true number would be between 20 and 30 dollars per person (10-20% of their monthly food budget) tha…

I didn't do the math so can't comment on that. Just noting the claims of the apparent source, without any sort of agreement or disagreement.

Re: Beyond Meat is struggling, and the plant-based meat industry worries

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Post by oblio »

AnIdiotOnTheNet wrote: post #970
oblio wrote: post #966

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> Which is just an appeal to nature and/or tradition. An appeal to nature and/or tradition is not inherently a fallacy. We KNOW for a fact that meat is a valid food, and we also know almost all of its downsides. We definitely don't know the downsides of all these new "foods". And unfortunately it's the kind of thing that will take decades and decades to figure out. See for tobacco, for example: https://youtu.be/GMOyN…

In this case, it is definitely fallacy. These new "foods" are made of all the same stuff as the things we have been eating for centuries [0]. Soy, peas, rice, various plant fats, vitamins, etc. This is the part where you bring out the "processing" boogeyman, right? Like people haven't been eating processed foods for decades too? [0] with the exception of the heme in Impossible burgers I suppose, which did undergo ani…

> Like people haven't been eating processed foods for decades too?

And guess what, saturated fats are killing us. Saturated fats found in abundance in processed foods. Less processed foods don't have as many saturated fats, so this isn't really a problem you encounter with a traditional diet.

This is just an example of why're right that processed foods are bad for us.

It's not a boogeyman if it can be proven right with a 2-minute Google search.

And not this kind of Google search: https://youtu.be/Cxqca4RQd_M?t=286

Excuse me for not trusting blindy J. Random startup making food from stuff at the bottom of a glass tube. I'm sure their incentives are perfectly aligned with mine :-)

Re: Beyond Meat is struggling, and the plant-based meat industry worries

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Post by valenaut »

oblio wrote: post #963
delecti wrote: post #741

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The entire western market isn't going to simultaneously and instantly stop eating meat. There won't suddenly be a day when all the herds are culled because everyone finally stopped eating meat at once. If it ever happens (I'm hopeful but not optimistic), it will be a gradual process, and industries will have lots of time to adapt. But even that aside, it's not our duty as consumers to keep eating animals to keep indu…

Who said anything about duty? :-))) My point is, what are we going to replace those with? Especially leather & co. They have real life applications, they're not just fads. Plus, will those replacement products be sustainable? Vegan leather is just rebranded plastic, for example. I'm equally curious, but I don't know the numbers, if replacing plastic packaging with paper/cardboard is environmentally sound. I remember…

Cactus leather is a new trend. I don't own any cactus leather products so I can't say how good it is, but surely it's possible to replace cowhide with something.

Even vegan (plastic) leather is significantly better from an environmental and emissions perspective than cowhide leather. The tanning process is not exactly eco-friendly, and neither is raising cows.

Re: Beyond Meat is struggling, and the plant-based meat industry worries

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Post by nextaccountic »

oblio wrote: post #964
nextaccountic wrote: post #730

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There's synthetic leather too. And there's vegan cheese https://www.reddit.com/r/vegancheesemaking and of course vegan yogurt etc. (you can make yogurt with coconut milk for example)

Isn't synthetic leather just plastic? That's not really better for the environment.

There are some that are plant based.

Re: Beyond Meat is struggling, and the plant-based meat industry worries

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Post by odessacubbage »

i've always wondered why these meat alternatives don't try to target exotic & rare meats rather than aiming for the most common staples. i would think you would have much more leeway with something where there is less familiarity and not to mention the price tag could be framed much more favorably rather than trying to compete with one of the most highly subsidized proteins on earth. why don't we have beyond alligator or beyond ostrich or even better yet, some kind of hypothetical dinosaur meat?

Re: Beyond Meat is struggling, and the plant-based meat industry worries

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Post by andrew_ »

andrew_ wrote: post #280
orangepurple wrote: post #236

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The United Nations Food and Agriculture Organization is hard at work trying to figure out how to make ground up bugs affordable and palatable

Snowpiercer vibes

Clearly there are at least two readers who've never seen the movie, and the scene when they discover the source of the protein bars.

Re: Beyond Meat is struggling, and the plant-based meat industry worries

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Post by snapcaster »

pibechorro wrote: post #736

Good they are nothing but refined seed oils which is junk food. Eat a mushroom or bean burger instead, duh! Go woke, go broke.

Does "woke" just mean "thing I don't like now"? In what way is a soybean oil burger substitute "woke"?

Re: Beyond Meat is struggling, and the plant-based meat industry worries

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Post by johnnymorgan »

marliechiller wrote: post #931
johnnymorgan wrote: post #884

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Lol, ok bud have fun with your veggie cult.

Happily, I see your original comment has been downvoted. Im not sure how wanting to reduce suffering is cult-like but each to their own...

Really.. Is that what you are doing, seems more like you just want to be violent toward others and have built yourself a causi belli to engage that way.

> wanting to reduce suffering

Bullshit, you don't give 2 shits about that, you want to increase suffering in actual sentient beings.

Which a cow is not. Hence you are in a cult because what else would you call that position??

You are not a moral agent and you don't get to define what others can and can't do when it comes to food production.

Organics is a fantastic way to go, it just shows how full of shit you are to go against that.

Liar.

Re: Beyond Meat is struggling, and the plant-based meat industry worries

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Post by valarauko »

peoplefromibiza wrote: post #958
valarauko wrote: post #900

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> The thing some vegetarians do not understand is that traditional cuisine from all over the World is basically 90% vegetarian, because poor people had to survive too. You're saying that vegetarians don't know this?

> You're saying that vegetarians don't know this? Arguably some don't. Read again: some .

Sure, some people of every ilk are likely to be uninformed about some aspect of the world or the other. How does that apply in the current context? Most meals for most people worldwide are essentially vegetarian, even if the people are not obligate vegetarians. Are there some vegetarians unfamiliar with the reality of practically all world cuisines? Sure - and? Impossible meats aren't directed towards these people, and they aren't looking to substitute the taste of a burger. They're likely not averse to it, for what it's worth.

Re: Beyond Meat is struggling, and the plant-based meat industry worries

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Post by valarauko »

oblio wrote: post #965
valarauko wrote: post #920

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While 30% of Indians are strictly vegetarian, I would suggest that probably another 40% are largely vegetarian, only eating meat occasionally. Growing up in a major city in India, we ate maybe a single chicken based meal a week, and this was largely the norm in my social cohort. While a major reason was definitely money (poultry and red meat is ridiculously expensive in comparison to the vegetarian staples), it's als…

True, but let's revisit those cultural norms in 60 years, when most of India is middle class according to developed country levels :-)

Sure, we are definitely eating more meat, simply because we can afford it.
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