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Teen mental health is plummeting and social media is a major contributing cause [pdf]

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Re: Teen mental health is plummeting and social media is a major contributing cause [pdf]

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> Having some mental requirement to fit in I would qualify as a mental illness. I strongly disagree - humans are social animals.

Now that’s not entirely true either. You need some companionship to maintain mental health, but you certainly don’t need more than a few, and you certainly don’t need the admiration of even a small fraction of the people on social media. So I maintain, this persisten desire to be liked or accepted by many should be addressed as a mental illness.

I didn't mean that people go to social media to be liked/accepted by many. I said that social media made huge efforts (and succeeded) at becoming humanity's primary communications tool so that you are forced to use it (and thus be exposed to its dark patterns and toxicity) even if you originally had no desire to use it for vanity purposes.

Re: Teen mental health is plummeting and social media is a major contributing cause [pdf]

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Hrm, US government seems to be saying "Hey! Look over there!"

Surely it's not rising inequality, inaction on climate, stagnating wages, less security in work, out of control cost of living, the constant warmongering, the dogged commitment to the imperial system, lack of universal healthcare or any of that. It's social media!

(Or maybe it's that kids in the US can see the universal healthcare in other countries and that's what's making them depressed?)

Re: Teen mental health is plummeting and social media is a major contributing cause [pdf]

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Ofc it is plummeting. We are letting them install apps that have people behind them with the sole job of making them more addictive. We are handing them drugs, multiple variants if I may say so. I had to fight with my daughter for TikTok and whatnot, she is only allowed with YouTube due to school/tutorials/classes etc and I still find myself pretty often having to snap her out of shorts and other bs with an algorithm…

How the heck is your daughter not on the mode of YouTube where it doesn't switch to whatever is recommended next and how come she isn't taught not to watch shorts? I don't have kids and I don't want kids but like is it really hard to completely enforce some sort of a online media literacy?

> how come she isn't taught not to watch shorts?

It's really not that simple, kids are not computers. The age old parental meme of repeating yourself 1000 times before your kids "gets" it is accurate.

Re: Teen mental health is plummeting and social media is a major contributing cause [pdf]

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Social media cannot be blamed. Parents are the only ones to blame. I grew up while MTV had music videos playing. There were mascara wearing men talking about slitting their wrists and there were tough looking black men talking about killing people in the street. Some people imitated that. Some parents turned it off. If you give your kid access to anything and everything the world has to offer, including every manner…

Helicopter parenting messes kids up in a whole different way that’s often even worse. Kids are going to like things parents try to keep away from them. They like things that are cool with their peers. They like doing things parents tell them not to do. They’ll find ways to do things their peers are all doing even if you try to block them entirely. Kids who were banned from those alleged MTV videos simply watched them…

Deciding how you're going to raise your kids is not helicopter parenting.

Going through the hoops and figuring out how to do the things your parents don't want you to do is a healthy part of growing up, any parent that doesn't take that into account and actually thinks they're going to stop their kid from becoming an adult is making a mistake.

The goals are to remove easy access to damaging material, and to make them do difficult, clever things to get around it, and to make them think you don't know so that they don't outwardly demonstrate exposure. This limits exposure to the worst of what is out there, teaches them agency and problem solving skills, and prevents them from heavily internalizing whatever they are exposed to.

Yes, when they reach a certain age when they start to want to do things on their own, they'll find ways to be exposed to what they want to be exposed to. There's nothing wrong with this.

Re: Teen mental health is plummeting and social media is a major contributing cause [pdf]

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It’s interesting how they don’t report with the same enthusiasm how prevalent sexual abuse and harassment is in schools: https://www.washingtonpost.com/education/2020/10/15/sexual-a...

I mean, I get it in ways. Boy Scouts has many policies which contrast with the liberal/progressive worldview the members of technology industry tend to hold - explicit religious affiliation, a religiously influenced moral code, gender exclusive, military-esque conduct, etc. For an organization that explicitly advertises itself as a morally driven environment, it's extremely hypocritical for it to have any level of an…

> For an organization that explicitly advertises itself as a morally driven environment, it's extremely hypocritical for it to have any level of an abuse problem (sexual or otherwise).

Unfortunately, any category of organization where adults have authority over children will have some level of sexual abuse. Our daughter's fancy--and extremely progressive--private school recently investigated itself and concluded that it had protected teachers who had relationships with students over several decades: https://www.capitalgazette.com/education/ac-cn-key-school-in...

Indeed, studies show that sexual abuse in schools is extremely common: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_harassment_in_education... ("In their 2002 survey, the AAUW reported that, of students who had been harassed, 38% were harassed by teachers or other school employees. One survey that was conducted with psychology students reports that 10% had sexual interactions with their educators; in turn, 13% of educators reported sexual interaction with their students.").

Your points about the Boy Scouts are will taken. Coming from the opposite side of the aisle, I would say something similar about what happened at my kid's school. It was an outgrowth of the school's liberalism--specifically the male-dominated sexual liberalism of the 1970s and 1980s that tried to normalize sexualization of teenagers. Teachers would have parties and invite students--this is a K-12 school mind you--and relationships between students and teachers were open secrets. It's not that nobody knew, it's that nobody thought it was a big deal.

But the larger point is that sexual abuse happens in pretty much every class of organization, though the specifics are different in each. My complaint is that the media reports on sexual abuse in churches and Christian-oriented organizations in a very different way than when the same thing happens in secular and liberal organizations. And that's not actually good for anyone.

Re: Teen mental health is plummeting and social media is a major contributing cause [pdf]

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Social media cannot be blamed. Parents are the only ones to blame. I grew up while MTV had music videos playing. There were mascara wearing men talking about slitting their wrists and there were tough looking black men talking about killing people in the street. Some people imitated that. Some parents turned it off. If you give your kid access to anything and everything the world has to offer, including every manner…

I grew up similarly and I think I have to disagree. When we had all the influence from the Tv, we would still se people that were really far away from us. Right now a teenager that is spending their summer vacation at home can be bombarded with photos of classmates "having the best time of their lives" through social media. You're right that parents should be more present but even if you explain to a teenager that wh…

Well the point is, the world isn't perfect and there will always be negative influences, and it is a parent's duty to limit those influences as much as possible. Before it was this, now it's that. It was bad kids in the neighborhood, then it was TV, then it was videogames, now it is social media, who knows what it will be in 20 years.

I wouldn't explain to a teenager about Instagram and tiktok, I'd DNS block them on all devices. They'll see it at their friends house or whatever, and then I can talk to them, and they'll get grouchy about wanting it just like they do about toys at the store. But at least I'll limit exposure to negative influences, which is my job.

Re: Teen mental health is plummeting and social media is a major contributing cause [pdf]

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It’s interesting how they don’t report with the same enthusiasm how prevalent sexual abuse and harassment is in schools: https://www.washingtonpost.com/education/2020/10/15/sexual-a...

I mean, I get it in ways. Boy Scouts has many policies which contrast with the liberal/progressive worldview the members of technology industry tend to hold - explicit religious affiliation, a religiously influenced moral code, gender exclusive, military-esque conduct, etc. For an organization that explicitly advertises itself as a morally driven environment, it's extremely hypocritical for it to have any level of an…

Morals and principles don't mean much without rules and authority behind them.

The genius and nasty aspect of Boy Scouts is that they integrated with other institutions. So they got to inherit the authority of the sponsoring institution, but they also inherited the negative and had a bias to look away from things. They also tended to be tight with local law enforcement, and alot of sexual abuse was never dealt with because of those informal relationships.

In my mind, this stuff isn't a political issue. My original point was that today, every one of these organizations requires that people in contact with children get background checked and have some level of training. That's not perfect, but at least known abusers are kept out. I don't care about political bullshit - whatever you believe whatever TV you watch, your children should never get molested.

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The systemic repression of non-white-males for many, many decades/centuries?

I feel so sorry for your boy. He deserves a dad who loves him more than virtue signaling. Your boy is thrown into the world with no preexisting moral guilt. And you, his father, are justifying rather than decrying the racial discrimination of your own son, while apparently trying to stand on the alter of that very discrimination.

Huh? What a weird comment.

“[born with] no preexisting moral guilt” — Is that some attempt to re-frame ignorance?

I have teenage kids and they sure as hell have been raised to understand, from a young age, that while they are in an unfairly advantaged group today, a few generations ago and they would have been rounded up, stripped of everything they worked hard for, and put in camps. And yet, even that fate was objectively better than other groups at the same time. What you call “moral guilt” I call empathy. Maybe this is simply what you mean by “virtue signaling”, but I want my kids to always look for those around them who are stumbling, unable to get back up, or who may just not have enough, and then to give help. But they won’t see them without empathy for those situations, and they won’t have that empathy without an understanding of the struggles.

Re: Teen mental health is plummeting and social media is a major contributing cause [pdf]

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> Diversity is good, but being ____ is bad. Can you fill in the blank? I actually have no idea what you are referring to here.

As an example from my son, a 13 year old white kid, gave me is that if you have one of the "diversity cards" (minority, LGBQT+, female sometimes, or some other thing) than you get to joke and talk in a way than those that don't have such a card. So his friends that are gay or black or indian or disabled are able to tease each other about it and have more liberty to use terms that my son is not allowed to. The gay kid…

Intersectionality at play here, your son is part of the "oppressor" class and is essentially viewed as beneficiary of privilege by virtue of his melanin content, therefore he is not allowed to say, do or question certain things. It's a sad state of affairs.

FYI I'm an immigrant from Africa with 3 daughters but I've instilled in them the values I was raised with, that everyone is deserving of respect, dignity and are precious in the eyes of God.

Re: Teen mental health is plummeting and social media is a major contributing cause [pdf]

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Everyone remembers the first time they saw Goatse.

Back when I was a fresh-faced youth I recoiled in disgust. Now when I see it I greet it as an old friend, a wistful reminder of a time when the internet was still largely wild and untamed by corporate interest.

I was genuinely sad to find out that the guy died a while back, but then was relieved to find out that it was just a meme and that he's still alive.
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