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Re: Spotify deletes 70 Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by Znayder » Sun, Feb 06, 2022, 3:32 PM UTC

hagy wrote: post #806

hnarn wrote: post #466

I don't really understand why anyone who claims to be a proponent of a free market economy has an issue with a private corporation deciding what type of content they want to broadcast. JR sold his catalog of intellectual property (podcast episodes) of his own free will and was paid very well for it: about $100M from what I can gather. What Spotify chooses to do with it is completely up to them, even if they bought it…

I agree that Spotify has the legal right to stop distributing any content they find objectionable. Anyone arguing that Spotify’s action is a first amendment violation is simply wrong. A private entity, like Spotify, can decide what content to distribute at their own discretion. I don’t think many people are making this argument. Instead, I think many of us are arguing that Spotify shouldn’t exercise that option just…

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Re: Spotify deletes 70 Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by Znayder » Sun, Feb 06, 2022, 3:40 PM UTC

judge2020 wrote: post #712

pyuser583 wrote: post #616

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Part of a free market economy is criticizing, and not patronizing, products you don’t like. I’m welcome to say Spotify shouldn’t “censor” (in the corporate media sense) certain speakers. And I can cancel/encourage others to cancel their Spotify subscriptions. And I can keep on using Spotify, but let them know I don’t like their conduct, even though it doesn’t (YET!) make me unsubscribe. All free market.

Similarly, Spotify can choose to censor speakers if they think people will come back to Spotify/won't leave Spotify as a result of that action. Spotify should definitely censor whatever they need to in the pursuit of maximum profits.

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Re: Spotify deletes 70 Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by message » Sun, Feb 06, 2022, 4:39 PM UTC

voisin wrote: post #186

ahmed_ds wrote: post #131

I think I speak for the majority of people here. Before the Spotify deal, you would just see couple of Joe Rogan clips on YouTube and you have sat through maybe 3-4 entire podcasts. You don't care much about MMA or you don't think comedians are that important/hypeworthy as the JRE fandom would claim. After the Spotify deal you just slowly stopped even seeing the clips because for some reason you just don't care to se…

Perhaps you do speak for the majority. I am a fairly heavy Podcast consumer (I run a lot and like to listen to them), and JRE is consistently among my top two (always a battle with the ever great Rich Roll) because of the sheer diversity of guests he has on. I don’t care for MMA or most of the comedians so I skip those but that’s fine because Rogan is so prolific that there will be something interesting in the next f…

I like to listen Lex Fridman also

Re: Spotify deletes 70 Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by maccolgan » Sun, Feb 06, 2022, 6:17 PM UTC

afavour wrote: post #659

buzzwords wrote: post #427

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The real issue is that no matter what, we were not allowed to hear from individuals because some people think their views are harmful to us. He would have always be reliant on others who can be put under pressure to remove jre from their platform

S3 bucket with an RSS feed. Done. And not about to be shut down.

S3 bucket?

Re: Spotify deletes 70 Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by ecocentrik » Sun, Feb 06, 2022, 6:41 PM UTC

hnarn wrote: post #466

I don't really understand why anyone who claims to be a proponent of a free market economy has an issue with a private corporation deciding what type of content they want to broadcast. JR sold his catalog of intellectual property (podcast episodes) of his own free will and was paid very well for it: about $100M from what I can gather. What Spotify chooses to do with it is completely up to them, even if they bought it…

Don't expect any businesses to fall on a sword for ideology when their primary concern is always their bottom line. The free market has spoken. I suggest you go reread free market first principles.

Re: Spotify deletes 70 Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by snotrockets » Sun, Feb 06, 2022, 7:36 PM UTC

RedBeetDeadpool wrote: post #822

snotrockets wrote: post #293

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No, this is not how you do “open research”. He’s a shock jock ffs. A good one, maybe, but not Woodward or Bernstein.

> He’s a shock jock ffs. That's quite a shocking low effort attack that means absolutely nothing. Why should anyone believe your claims.

It is a shorthand for “he editorializes for creating controversy, regardless the results of such, because that’s his business edge. That what allows him to get bigger rewards than others”.

What this thread cries about it Rogan and Spotify trying to minimize the downside of risk they have just suffered - what gives you bigger gain can also cause you bigger losses (and not that big here tbh)

Re: Spotify deletes 70 Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by pmags » Sun, Feb 06, 2022, 9:01 PM UTC

From Ars Technica's coverage of this issue:

>In another clip, Rogan spoke to a guest who has parents of different skin colors. "Powerful combination, genetic-wise, right?" Rogan said. "You get the body of the black man and then you get the mind of the white man all together in some strange combination... that doesn't, by the way, mean that black people don't have brains. It's a different brain. Don't get me wrong."

https://twitter.com/cultofdusty1/status/1096148338918023168

Re: Spotify deletes 70 Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by deanCommie » Sun, Feb 06, 2022, 9:51 PM UTC

RedBeetDeadpool wrote: post #846

kryogen1c wrote: post #705

this looks alarmingly like a destruction of wrongthink. comedians, musicians, joes friends. this isnt just the rambling conspiracies of alex jones or covid skepticism with non-consensus doctors. rather than debate the meaning of IP, free markets, or the first amendment, we should he focusing on us - the people. our communites. why is it that companies think its advantageous to silence people like this? it must be fol…

I see the de-platforming and censoring of comedians specifically as being extremely concerning. Comedians in theory should not be a threat to anyone. To me this is the canary in the coalmine. What this tells me is that we as a society can't handle criticisms any longer. The comedians are extremely important to our society, because they have a way of saying things that need to be said that others are often afraid to.…

There are plenty of comedians joking around COVID, conspiracy theories, vaccines, and making people laugh.

Joe Rogan as a comedian is very different than Joe Rogan as a podcaster. He tries to be a very serious podcaster, and brings in serious people to debate serious subjects.

But he treats them all with the same respect and reverence. Which is a good attitude to take with people you meet 1on1, but may not be a dispassionate neutral position when you have a massive audience of tens of millions.

So when he brings in an astrophysicists and they teach the audience about the lifecycle of stars, it's educational and people both learn and are entertained. And the next guest is a conspiracy nut with a lot of PhDs that tells everyone COVID is overplayed and vaccines don't work, they also learn and are entertained.

Rogan has a sizeable enough audience that the impact of his COVID misinformation can be included as one of the reasons why Americans have so much COVID vaccine hesitancy, and directly contributes to the elevated COVID death toll in the US.

Re: Spotify deletes 70 Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by Grustaf » Sun, Feb 06, 2022, 10:34 PM UTC

hnarn wrote: post #466

I don't really understand why anyone who claims to be a proponent of a free market economy has an issue with a private corporation deciding what type of content they want to broadcast. JR sold his catalog of intellectual property (podcast episodes) of his own free will and was paid very well for it: about $100M from what I can gather. What Spotify chooses to do with it is completely up to them, even if they bought it…

Are you seriously saying you can't have a problem with anything a corporation ever does, as long as the motive is to make money? Else you're basically a socialist?

Does that include Monsanto poisoning the ground? Blackwater lobbying for war in the third world?

Re: Spotify deletes 70 Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by Grustaf » Sun, Feb 06, 2022, 10:42 PM UTC

judge2020 wrote: post #712

pyuser583 wrote: post #616

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Part of a free market economy is criticizing, and not patronizing, products you don’t like. I’m welcome to say Spotify shouldn’t “censor” (in the corporate media sense) certain speakers. And I can cancel/encourage others to cancel their Spotify subscriptions. And I can keep on using Spotify, but let them know I don’t like their conduct, even though it doesn’t (YET!) make me unsubscribe. All free market.

Similarly, Spotify can choose to censor speakers if they think people will come back to Spotify/won't leave Spotify as a result of that action. Spotify should definitely censor whatever they need to in the pursuit of maximum profits.

Why "should" they do that?