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Re: President Daniels responds to Chinese student's harassment

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Post by lenkite » Sun, Dec 19, 2021, 7:52 AM UTC

It's pretty clear that China is winning the war. American society fabric is disintegrating to ashes while the Chinese are laughing. China's economy is also set to overtake the US this decade. China already has a bigger navy and army.

Only a matter of time before the Chinese invasion comes on the disarmed West coast - Fallout style. Freedom of speech - which is mostly a joke in the US now will then be given its final burial. You will now be thoroughly re-educated and get the Freedom of Glorious Mao. Only the armed gangsters will do some basic resistance before being promptly eliminated.

No nation lasts forever and I guess its USA's time to fade out into the twilight. Time to kneel down to your Chinese overlords soon Americans! All Hail God-Emperor Xi!

Re: President Daniels responds to Chinese student's harassment

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Post by kevin_thibedeau » Sun, Dec 19, 2021, 8:15 AM UTC

throwoutway wrote: post #966

kevin_thibedeau wrote: post #953

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He severely cut staff benefits as part of the belt tightening.

He was governor during the financial crisis wasn't it? Sounds like it was necessary measures since Indiana can't finance debt per its own constitution.

He slashed benefits after becoming president. The Chinese mana is only for the people at top.

Re: President Daniels responds to Chinese student's harassment

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Post by eschaton » Sun, Dec 19, 2021, 8:22 AM UTC

TechBro8615 wrote: post #918

everybodyknows wrote: post #875

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And what is "the orthodoxy" in say Dallas, or Cheyenne?

I’ve got no clue, I don’t live there. For all intents and purposes I live online, where investors and employers and colleagues are all hyper aware of what I say. That’s why I had to make an alt to even post what I actually think on this website. (Note that people with beliefs on the other side of the spectrum do not feel the need to make pseudonymous accounts to post their opinions. Frankly this should tell you all y…

What are these things you’re so afraid to say under your own name? Since you’re using an alt it should be safe.

Re: President Daniels responds to Chinese student's harassment

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Post by garfieldnate » Sun, Dec 19, 2021, 3:22 PM UTC

How specifically would a Chinese person report taboo speech of another Chinese national from abroad? Is there a hotline or a website or something? Or do you just call any government agency and tell them you want to report bad speech by someone abroad? This seems like something that the US and other countries should be legislating against, instead of leaving it up to schools to deal with.

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Post by drekk » Sun, Dec 19, 2021, 4:35 PM UTC

whythre wrote: post #968

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You mean you want US to be even more jingoistic? It won't be an easy task for sure as I'm reading propaganda pieces almost every day for a last few years in a places that earlier were almost politics free (ars technica, hn...) - regular new sites not to mention.

Supporting the US over China’s regressive regime hardly requires jingoism.

If it requires fighting a war that has been "hidden" it's pretty jingoistic. Especially given the hand-waving everyone does here to call China a despotic autocratic regime despite the US having more prisoners overall and per-capita, and let's not even begin to compare foreign policies. Which country has overthrown more democratically elected governments? I've lived in several impacted by the US.

Re: President Daniels responds to Chinese student's harassment

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Post by drekk » Sun, Dec 19, 2021, 4:41 PM UTC

kmonsen wrote: post #914

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Yes, thanks for the clarification. I was trying to make my comment specifically about secession - debunking the notion that Hong Kong is not part of China. The HK Basic Law, the same document that guarantees the "One country, two systems" approach, starts with the sentence "The Hong Kong Special Administrative Region is an inalienable part of the People's Republic of China." I agree that the mainland government acted…

I think people have a right to self determination. If Texas wants to secede please go ahead and do so. Same for Catalonia, Hong Kong or any other. Not saying it is a thing that should be done lightly, but also not impossible. Countries exists for the people, not the other way round like China likes to think.

I don't know why people single out China for this when the US has invaded, couped, bombed, and otherwise helped install right-wing military juntas globally. Where was self-determination for Vietnam, Cambodia, and Laos?

China's priority is national security, and given the track record of western liberal democracies it is not unreasonable. As I recall we had a civil war the last time states tried seceding.

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Post by drekk » Sun, Dec 19, 2021, 4:42 PM UTC

bananabreakfast wrote: post #856

nneonneo wrote: post #824

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I feel compelled to clarify this: Hong Kong is part of China, and has been since 1997. Saying that Hong Kong is not part of China is like saying that Texas is not part of the United States because at one point they seceded. These days, Texas has no more right to secede from the US than Hong Kong from China, even if there are people in both territories who would prefer full independence. Consequently, to a Chinese per…

Ha, I mean, that's not weird at all. Texans say that all the time. Six flags theme parks are quite literally named after the six different flags that have flown over Texas as a nod to it being an independent entity regardless of which larger nation currently lays claim to it.

Sure, but the last time they actually tried doing it we had a civil war in which millions died.

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Post by OJFord » Mon, Dec 20, 2021, 12:34 AM UTC

grogenaut wrote: post #901

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> at least weary of China if not openly hostile Given the latter half, I think that's *wary (cautious) rather than 'weary' (fatigued, fed up)? I'm not American, but something I've noticed on YouTube is that 'import' is a euphemism for 'Chinese crap' - probably more prevalent because there's more of a US manufacturing base to begin with, but the funny thing is when it's imported from somewhere else that's respected it…

Watch back to the future. Doc brown from the 50s "no wonder it broke it's all from Japan". Marty from 85 says "what do you mean all the best stuff comes from Japan". I remember when Vizio made garbage tvs. This is more of a delayed and earned reputation thing. Also product market fit.

(as if I haven't seen it..!)

Sure, I'm absolutely not saying nothing good's made in China nor especially that that couldn't change. Just noticing others' usage/implication.

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Post by justicezyx » Mon, Dec 20, 2021, 3:52 AM UTC

civilized wrote: post #855

star-trek-fleet wrote: post #534

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> Richer country Trust me most students in US nowadays are family financial support. They are already rich. And the US do not often give enough working position for them (outside of tech, which h1b is not particularly friendly) > better quality of life This definitely is wrong. Those kids enjoyed a far better life in China than US. > more personal freedoms. Well, for what they want to do, they'll have more freedom...

If China is such a paradise for the children of the Chinese elite, why do they overwhelmingly go to US universities? Why bother ever leaving China at all?

Education gilded one?

Re: President Daniels responds to Chinese student's harassment

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Post by surge » Mon, Dec 20, 2021, 4:02 AM UTC

drekk wrote: post #975

whythre wrote: post #968

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Supporting the US over China’s regressive regime hardly requires jingoism.

If it requires fighting a war that has been "hidden" it's pretty jingoistic. Especially given the hand-waving everyone does here to call China a despotic autocratic regime despite the US having more prisoners overall and per-capita , and let's not even begin to compare foreign policies. Which country has overthrown more democratically elected governments? I've lived in several impacted by the US.

>China a despotic autocratic regime despite the US having more prisoners overall and per-capita

You A) don't know that, because stats coming out of China aren't to be trusted and executions and disappearances are common B) are conveniently ignoring the well documented reeducation/concentration camps where the only crime is being a Muslim minority.

China is modern day Nazi Germany, they're not even really communist, they have government controlled corporations and operate in a capitalist system. In many ways they're fascist and even revere Hitler in their school teachings. Taiwan at least has socialized healthcare, in China you have to pay for it. If they are "communist" they're doing a shit job of it.