I wonder if anyone has done an analysis of the marketing because if anything, the marketing has gotten even more gung ho and macho.
Women are nearly half of new gun buyers, study finds
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I think the simplest counterpoint is Britain. The US Second Amendment is a direct descendant of the British Common Law right to bear arm. And Britain is arguably our national parent with a similar culture and history and a modern pluralistic culture. They effectively ended their right to private gun ownership in the 20th century to the point that it's now extremely difficult to procure one and there are very few guns…
Britain also spent a long time transporting violent criminals and resettling much of the relatively violent “Scotch-Irish”/“Borderer” population to the American colonies. We also got a lot of their religious fanatics. This explains a lot about America.
If you're looking for ethnic explanations, the evidence deosnt match the claim that Borderers drive the American homicide rate to any real degree. While the White American murder rate is higher than Britain's, it's less than half that of the overall American murder rate, which is largely driven by the homicide rate amongst African Americans, which is 7x that of whites.
Source: https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2021/05/21/how-amer...
Britain at 1.2, white Americans at 2.2, African Americans at 15.5
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> I don't understand the pride bit. I can't speak to the parent, but I take pride in self-reliance, and taking responsibility for securing and defending the well-being of myself, my family, neighbors, and community. I also am a volunteer, state-certified structure firefighter, and take pride in that for the exact same reason. You might find it interesting that, as part of our classroom instruction, my structure firef…
> the tragedy isn't the gun, but the necessity for one, and it's a tragedy inherent in our mortal existence. Well, they're sure not necessary here in Australia. I don't think I've ever met someone who owns one, certainly no-one has ever mentioned owning a gun to me. It's just not a thing. Seems to be just "a tragedy inherent" in the USA. I was watching every day, and supporting, the George Floyd protests, and after a…
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proposed_Japanese_invasion_o...
You might want to consider some counterfactuals where the US kept more to itself.
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The laws are pretty old so I doubt there's reliable data. Australia has a clearer case. Firearm deaths definitely decreased after a 1996 law that pulled hundreds of thousands of weapons off the street. Rates were already decreasing before the ban but seemed to drop faster after. It wasn't a dramatic change and can't be directly attributed to the law. I'll say this other thing though. Rates of violence aside, first wo…
We are trying to get at causality here. Even in thr Australia case, I have to ask, did crimes committed by _illegally_ owned firearms decrease after the law? Much as we can productively debate who should or should not be allowed to own a firearm, I don't think there's much disagreement that there is some class of people who _shouldn't_.
I don't think it's possible to prove causality. But it stands to reason that decreasing the supply of weapons raises the price making it harder to acquire them legally or illegally. And the cost of making legal gun ownership harder seems to be minimal.
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I have a very simple litmus test. In how many countries can you openly (with lots of publicity) organize "Draw a Muhammad" or "Burn the bible" events.
Interesting. Kids in many countries throughout the middle east and northern Africa have essentially unrestricted access to firearms, including shit you can't buy in most US states, but your "Draw a Muhammad" litmus test wouldn't fly. What does this indicate? Let's burn the American flag instead. How's that gonna go in rural counties of the US? Will it be safe, or will the response be armed?
The litmus test is to measure freedom and not effectiveness of guns on freedom.
It is pretty hard to organize 'Draw A Muhammad' workshop in non-muslim countries like Canada, UK or India. That tells you how less free those countries are.
Secondly, freedom is used (always) in the context of Government. In India, Canada or UK it is not the fellow muslim you have to worry about but the government jailing you. In the absence of a robust violent respons from society government will take away your freedoms one by one to simplify their own life at your expense.
> Let's burn the American flag instead.
Please do. It is an important freedom Americans have and constitutional granted free speech right. American flag is burned, insulted on regular basis in USA. Just like flag insulting national anthem is another form of protest in USA. I have not heard of anyone being punished or killed in USA for burning American flag. Most certainly the government can't punish you for the same.
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There's no substance to the Harper's Bazzar article, and The Guardian one cites two cases, one I'm not familiar with, but the other was a clear case of attempted murder that got so notorious the woman was given a pass in the end. Key detail in that case: when you withdraw from a heated situation, retrieve a gun from your vehicle, and go back to it and shoot at the person you're arguing with, you're not exactly demons…
> Needless to say they don't list any cases where things went right for a woman defending herself. I wonder why that is....
They're ideologically opposed to a woman defending herself.
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The US has the gun fetish because it has a perpetual racialized underclass, among other reasons. You're right the violence is tied to its history. But so are the guns. You cannot separate the two. As others have pointed out; personal firearms are pretty useless as a vehicle for resisting state oppression and tyranny. But they're useful for stopping slave revolts or, more contemporarily, guarding your McMansion. The p…
Yeah both of these points are revisionist bullshit. Go read the primary sources. The gun fetish comes from our origin story being successfully overthrowing the British with civilian firearms. As to effectiveness: the Taliban just recaptured their country from a US backed military. The point of civilian gun ownership is to force citizen soldiers to decide between defecting and killing their neighbors. That’s exactly w…
The US had a huge amount of help from France overthrowing the British. Including full support of the French navy and large amounts of French professional soldiers. An inconvenient fact that Americans try hard to forget.
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The US has the gun fetish because it has a perpetual racialized underclass, among other reasons. You're right the violence is tied to its history. But so are the guns. You cannot separate the two. As others have pointed out; personal firearms are pretty useless as a vehicle for resisting state oppression and tyranny. But they're useful for stopping slave revolts or, more contemporarily, guarding your McMansion. The p…
Yeah both of these points are revisionist bullshit. Go read the primary sources. The gun fetish comes from our origin story being successfully overthrowing the British with civilian firearms. As to effectiveness: the Taliban just recaptured their country from a US backed military. The point of civilian gun ownership is to force citizen soldiers to decide between defecting and killing their neighbors. That’s exactly w…
There is a big difference: The US Government will never leave the US. However everybody (including the Taliban) knew that it was just a question of time before the US would exit Afghanistan.
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> But the U.S. murder rate is not all that remarkable, really The US is at 4.96/100,000 for 2012. For reference, Angola is better at 4.85. Bulgaria and Romania, the poorest countries in the EU, are at 1.3. France is at 1.2. If by not remarkable you mean 3 as bad as other developed countries, sure. The numbers are only for intentional homicide, not even counting accidents and suicides which are also made worse by the…
PS: I am strong supporter of Gun rights and proud gun owner. I fully agree with anti-gun crowd that having vast majority of guns in hands of citizens (legally or illegally) leads to more deaths. USA's comparison with Angola is actually more serious than the numbers tell you because you need to realize that USA has far better medical response and doctors trained to handle gunshot wounds. So to truly compare Angola and…
USA ranks 25 according to this:
https://www.transparency.org/en/cpi/2020#
So yes better than 50% but not great.
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> the tragedy isn't the gun, but the necessity for one, and it's a tragedy inherent in our mortal existence. Well, they're sure not necessary here in Australia. I don't think I've ever met someone who owns one, certainly no-one has ever mentioned owning a gun to me. It's just not a thing. Seems to be just "a tragedy inherent" in the USA. I was watching every day, and supporting, the George Floyd protests, and after a…
I think Australia is a great example of what happens when guns are given up. You have a government that’s going on witch hunts for covid cases and exerting extreme authoritarian pressure for remarkably low covid rates. Some would say it’s them testing the limits of their populace. What are they gonna do? Protest? That’s illegal when in lockdown.
The majority of Australians grumble about it but agree with the lockdown restrictions. Looking at the insane number of people dying from COVID in the US compared with Australia I understand why.