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How did American “wokeness” jump from elite schools to everyday life?

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Re: How did American “wokeness” jump from elite schools to everyday life?

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It's not that, it's the fact it's an acronym that only certain groups are familiar with. Calling it Visual and Performance Arts is fine, because everyone understands what it means. Calling it VAPA is inferior communication, because it only signals to those already familiar with the acronym, and leaves the rest out. Instead they now just call it the 'Arts Department', so everyone understands what it means. For example…

This is ridiculous to the point of self-parody coming from the movement that spawned BIPOC, LGBTQIA+, a complete redefinition of the word “privilege“, and which demands the immediate firing and permanent silencing of anyone who has not fully internalized the appropriate “inclusive” language du jour.

Ridiculous how? I don't think you addressed anything in my post. e.g. the notion that simplifying 'VAPA' to 'Arts Department' improves communication, and particularly to certain groups of people who aren't being reached. How is improved communication self-parody? This isn't a law mandating speech, it's an organisation rebranding itself to communicate more clearly what it is.

You do ridicule it by comparing it to use of other acronyms.

I hope you can understand that there's a difference between use of acronyms of an Arts programme of a single school in a local area. These acronyms may be entirely unfamiliar to groups of people that historically have lower-access and that you're trying to reach via communications, and acronyms don't help in this situation, and are also unnecessary.

Versus the use of an acronym that represents about 5-10% of the world population (0.6 billion people), and is used and recognised on a worldwide scale, and is actually one of the major driving forces of communication. Acronyms in this case do help, and actually improve communication. (of course, there is a limit to the logic. And the communities themselves are constantly reevaluating what typology makes most sense, and which acronyms make most sense).

Re: How did American “wokeness” jump from elite schools to everyday life?

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Identity politics is a Marxist revolutionary movement. As Lenin pointed out, in the Revolution, morality is subsumed in politics and Revolutionary violence is not actual violence, or rather, it is not immoral. The is no mercy to be shown to anyone who obstructs the Revolution. Phase I of the Revolution is to destroy the values of the "oppressive" preexisting order. Phase II is the realization of the promised Utopia,…

Identity politics has virtually nothing to do with Karl Marx's philosophy or political economics.

This is so ignorant I don't even know what to say to you. If you're interested in learning about the connection and evolution you can look into the Marxist Frankfurt school and its influence on modern identity politics.

Re: How did American “wokeness” jump from elite schools to everyday life?

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I think people are over-analysing this issue here at HN. It is far better for upper class to ensure that people discuss and focus on issues like gender and skin colour than the class differences. Hence, they ensured that this is the issue plebs would hear all over on the media and shift their attention from class divides to gender and skin colour.

How does this work, practically? Do the owners of media corporations call up their reports and say “hey, focus on gender issues, stop those wealth inequality articles?”

Sort of. They make sure the GMs or Chief Editors understand the agenda or what not to write about. Otherwise, it's selection bias. The people they elevate into editorial power are true believers of the agenda they want to support.

Ex 1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N4sNoKJqj7k Skip past the hype, the key phrase from the GM (paraphrased) "Sometimes it's not about the viewer, it's about what your CEO reads"

Ex 2: Sean Hannity and Rachel Maddow are both examples promoting someone who is a true believer of an agenda being promoted and given a big platform to expound those views. This is why the elite doesn't have to coerce key public figures; those public figures can only get in that position if they are loyal to the agenda.

Re: How did American “wokeness” jump from elite schools to everyday life?

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It’s convenient that under wokeness, the real bad guys are my white in laws in rural Oregon and not the white people “doing the work” in Wall Street and SV.

I'll give you Wall Street, but SV is very much a target of this Neo-Maoist craziness. And don't get me wrong, there are plenty of interesting problems wrt. how to improve diversity and equity in the industry, but politicized catchphrases like "there's no such thing as meritocracy" (a prime example of Orwellian duckspeak if there ever was one) are not conducive to this goal.

Well, if there's truly no such thing as meritocracy according to whichever tech company said that, I'd love if they could hire my disabled younger brother who never completed his degree for an engineering role! He can work remotely.

Re: How did American “wokeness” jump from elite schools to everyday life?

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Under the woke philosophy the criterion for deserving forgiveness still exists but is changed. In classical Christian philosophy, forgiveness requires contrition whereas under woke philosophy forgiveness requires powerlessness . This is often misinterpreted as an absence of forgiveness because no amount of contrition seems to abate the condemnation.

I think you're redefining things. Since no amount of contrition abates the condemnation, there is an absence of forgiveness. Powerlessness doesn't abate the condemnation either, after all. Instead, these people who refuse to forgive do so because they feel that forgiveness has been used to excuse abuse (read broadly) and to keep abusers in power. In other words, it's all about power , and forgiveness just doesn't fea…

> Powerlessness doesn't abate the condemnation either, after all.

It does when the current majority no longer has a systemic advantage. Essentially it's saying, I don't want you to say you're sorry, I want things to change.

In a world where nobody feels like they have enough, I don't blame white individuals for being upset by the claim that they are privileged. And I don't think the answer is to take away all advantages from anybody because that's a race to the bottom. But, I do understand how a black American might eventually get frustrated when people display contrition over, for example, police brutality, but it continues to happen disproportionately.

Re: How did American “wokeness” jump from elite schools to everyday life?

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Under the woke philosophy the criterion for deserving forgiveness still exists but is changed. In classical Christian philosophy, forgiveness requires contrition whereas under woke philosophy forgiveness requires powerlessness . This is often misinterpreted as an absence of forgiveness because no amount of contrition seems to abate the condemnation.

I'm having a bit of trouble understanding this. What you you mean by 'requires powerlessness'? If I commit a sin against wokeness, how do I demonstrate powerlessness in order to gain forgiveness?

That's exactly it. You don't "demonstrate" powerlessness. The woke left will only be happy when there is actual change and the systematic advantage for the current majority is removed. Which of course will not happen, and even if it did, would result in other unfairnesses and in fact already has. Nobody will ever be satisfied because the fairer things are, the fairer they will need to be.

Still, I understand better now how empty words will do little to soften woke hearts.

Re: How did American “wokeness” jump from elite schools to everyday life?

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That book relies on the concept of ROGD, which is something that doesn't exist. Anybody pushing ROGD, or supporting other people who push ROGD, is anti-science and anti-fact. You should consider why you feel comfortable pushing something that's obviously bollocks, just because it supports your anti-trans activism. https://www.caaps.co/rogd-statement

> Anybody pushing ROGD, or supporting other people who push ROGD, is anti-science and anti-fact. This is an interesting case [2]. The concept of ROGD was introduced in an article in a scientific journal [1], by an assistant professor in Brown University. Then there was a strong reaction from people from outside the scientific community (blogosphere, activists). Later, there's been scientific debate back and forth [2]…

There have also been strong reactions against ROGD within the scientific community [1]. Like much science, the study has its own share of methodological flaws and biases that should make anyone sensible person the results of the study with skepticism

[1] https://www.gdaworkinggroup.com/blog/2018/12/5/psychology-to...

Re: How did American “wokeness” jump from elite schools to everyday life?

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I think people are over-analysing this issue here at HN. It is far better for upper class to ensure that people discuss and focus on issues like gender and skin colour than the class differences. Hence, they ensured that this is the issue plebs would hear all over on the media and shift their attention from class divides to gender and skin colour.

It's both. I agree that currently the Biggest Problem is the 1% vs the 99%. However you also can't sweep racism, sexism, and gender identity under the rug either, because a lot of the 99%, particularly in rural areas, are indeed heavily to blame for their being backward and opposed to equality in racism/sexism/sexual orientation issue. Try being a gay couple and being open about it a typical rural brick and mortar store. I've experienced it with my girlfriend (she's a POC) in rural areas just going road trips which we love. You definitely get looks and unfriendly faces. Of course you do your best to ignore them but it does make me simmer sometime.

Re: How did American “wokeness” jump from elite schools to everyday life?

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Why wouldn't Mohammed adopt the same approach and refuse to speak to you? Also, IQ is fundamentally flawed. Perhaps your innate abilities (and acquired prejudiced) aren't a substitute for following contemporary research on intelligence? https://www.webmd.com/brain/news/20121218/iq-test-really-mea...

> Also, IQ is fundamentally flawed. That's like saying that glucose levels are fundamentally flawed. What does that even mean? Flawed for what? Carpentry? > Perhaps your innate abilities (and acquired prejudiced) aren't a substitute for following contemporary research on intelligence? https://www.webmd.com/brain/news/20121218/iq-test-really-mea... Oh please, that reads like someone's blog post. Contemporary research…

> Contemporary research on intelligence has repeatedly disproven claims of multiple intelligences.

Citation?

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