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Re: FDA Approves First Covid-19 Vaccine

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Post by gilbetron »

ljf wrote: post #806
megous wrote: post #761

There are people with long term issues starting right after vaccination. Not safety issues, which everyone and their dog studies, just multi-month constant pain that will not kill you but just disables you from your normal life for months, that is not solvable by regular NSAIDs, as usual, and that you'll get no compensation for from anyone. I'm just interested in how common this is after vaccination, and perhaps when…

I guess we can look to places like Israel where there is nearly 100 percent, and the UK where there is a very high vaccination rate esp in the over 50s. If you go to the gp/doctor and you tell them you are suffering issues after a vaccine they have to (by law) pass that on to the regulator and to the vaccine manufacturer. In Israel and in the UK reports to doctors about longer term side effects of the vaccine are wit…

Israel is 63% fully vaccinated, 68% at least partially. Far from 100%.

https://ourworldindata.org/covid-vaccinations?country=OWID_W...

Re: FDA Approves First Covid-19 Vaccine

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Post by daddylongstroke »

astura wrote: post #789
giantg2 wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"...instead find a new reason not to get it." Or continue an existing reason: "Information is not yet available about potential long-term health outcomes."

No medical intervention is entirely without risk - the risk must be taken in context 1) Risk of potential negative long-term health outcomes from COVID-19 vaccine. 2) Risk of potential negative health outcomes (long and short term) from COVID-19 infection. As well as 3) Risk of potential negative non-health outcomes from COVID-19 infection (social and economic, risk of infecting others, risk of overrunning ICUs) With…

Take a closer look at the mortality rate from COVID, and then take a closer look at which pre-existing conditions people who are being hospitalized largely have (all easily found on CDC's network of reporting hospitals, at least for the US). It would appear based on these data points, that the vast majority of people have nothing to fear, neither death or hospitalization. However, if you're in the growing minority of folks with chronic obesity, hypertension, and diabetes (the "holy trinity" as my ER-doc friend says), you might want to get a vaccine, but understand the effectiveness will be severely lowered by your conditions.

Re: FDA Approves First Covid-19 Vaccine

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Post by renaudg »

kottaram wrote: post #959
probablypower wrote: post #191

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As someone who has had both COVID (before vaccines were available) and a COVID vaccine, this reasoning seems frankly dumb as bricks. There is uncertainty about long-term effects of both. There is no uncertainty about the short-term effects of COVID, which are magnitudes worse than the short-term effects of a vaccine. COVID for me was a multi-week flu that scared the shit out of me because I didn't know how bad it wou…

Thats your personal experience. Most of my friends who got covid without the vaccines never had any major issue you had. They took rest for a week and problem solved. One of my other friends, who was vaccinated, got covid and had to be hospitalised because he couldn't breath. Luckily he survived. A coworker, who was vaccinated, still hasn't got his taste back after getting covid around a month ago. Vaccine or not, yo…

You seem happy to be countering his personal experience with your own personal experience, and jump to the conclusion that there's no difference (wrong) and the vaccine does nothing (wrong) so why bother risking long term consequences (there's zero reason to think there's any from vaccines, while there are reasons to think there are many from Covid)

If only there was a way to objectively assess these things... Oh wait there is, it's called "doing a randomized controlled trial on more than 3 people" and "numerous observational studies from real world data"

And guess what ? From this data, you're 90% less likely to get severely ill and 95% less likely to die if you've been vaccinated, even with Delta.

> If you are saying it prevents covid death - you are wrong. Check England's data.

No he's right. Still about 95% protection against death from Delta.

> More unvaccinated people are getting covid but they are dying less.

Wrong.

> Vaccinated people are getting covid less but the ones who died after getting covid are more.

Still wrong. Unless you've been comparing vaccinated 80 year olds with unvaccinated 20 year olds maybe ?

Being vaccinated makes you 20-30 years younger in terms of your risk to die from Covid (source : https://www.ft.com/content/0f11b219-0f1b-420e-8188-6651d1e74...)

> The math isn't adding up for the vaccines.

Thanks for the brilliant demonstration.

Re: FDA Approves First Covid-19 Vaccine

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Post by ezekg »

2OEH8eoCRo0 wrote: post #969
l8rlump wrote: post #960

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Is this what you're talking about? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=09maaUaRT4M

It's interesting that this went so viral. I've had two friends independently send it to me and now I see it here. Seems fishy and a lot of the comments under it don't seem genuine. Lots of "I'm sending this to everyone I know" or "the people who need to hear this won't". Bizarre. Seems to be sponsored by academyofideas.com. Good luck finding who actually runs that site.

But do you disagree with the video? It seems pretty spot on to me. People *are* going mad and (violently) turning against each other, and the media and governments are perpetuating it.

Regarding the comments -- that's YT for you. The comments section is always weird.

Re: FDA Approves First Covid-19 Vaccine

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Post by myWindoonn »

ramesh31 wrote: post #501
CogitoCogito wrote: post #454

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It has emergency approval. The CDC decided the result of waiting for a full approval would likely cost more than allowing it early. Also to be fair it's not like they just rushed it out the door. There are probably very few things on the market (short of fully approved pharmaceuticals) that have been through more testing than these "rushed" vaccines. edit: https://www.fda.gov/vaccines-blood-biologics/vaccines/emerge.…

A great point. The same people decrying a vaccine that has been safely administered to nearly a billion people at this point and extensively studied will be the first ones to try all sorts of untested homeopathic and "alternative" nonsense.

I don't know why people are disagreeing with you. Look how many people are begging for "thoughts and prayers", a totally useless gesture with no medical benefits. Religious cures are an example of alternative nonsense. Ironically, it's not untested; we know that it doesn't work.

Re: FDA Approves First Covid-19 Vaccine

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Post by [deleted] »

walterbell wrote: post #953
megous wrote: post #872

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One other reason more studies would be useful, is that for the person I know, this happened after the first dose. That means that at the moment there's just no reasonable way to decide whether it's safe to get a second dose or not. If there were studies that would show that almost nobody has a lasting head pain post vaccination, then one could conclude it's probably just a super weird coincidence, and take a risk wit…

> head pain That's one of the topics in this video, https://rumble.com/vkopys-a-pathologist-summary-of-what-thes... [Posted in case it provides a data point for your friend to discuss with a local doctor, not to debate this doctor's affiliation, credentials or motivation. Would love to see more presentations of physical evidence from autopsies and lab tests, to complement statistical studies.]

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Re: FDA Approves First Covid-19 Vaccine

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Post by [deleted] »

walterbell wrote: post #953
megous wrote: post #872

Earlier quoted context omitted.

One other reason more studies would be useful, is that for the person I know, this happened after the first dose. That means that at the moment there's just no reasonable way to decide whether it's safe to get a second dose or not. If there were studies that would show that almost nobody has a lasting head pain post vaccination, then one could conclude it's probably just a super weird coincidence, and take a risk wit…

> head pain That's one of the topics in this video, https://rumble.com/vkopys-a-pathologist-summary-of-what-thes... [Posted in case it provides a data point for your friend to discuss with a local doctor, not to debate this doctor's affiliation, credentials or motivation. Would love to see more presentations of physical evidence from autopsies and lab tests, to complement statistical studies.]

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Re: FDA Approves First Covid-19 Vaccine

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Post by walterbell »

walterbell wrote: post #953
megous wrote: post #872

Earlier quoted context omitted.

One other reason more studies would be useful, is that for the person I know, this happened after the first dose. That means that at the moment there's just no reasonable way to decide whether it's safe to get a second dose or not. If there were studies that would show that almost nobody has a lasting head pain post vaccination, then one could conclude it's probably just a super weird coincidence, and take a risk wit…

> head pain That's one of the topics in this video, https://rumble.com/vkopys-a-pathologist-summary-of-what-thes... [Posted in case it provides a data point for your friend to discuss with a local doctor, not to debate this doctor's affiliation, credentials or motivation. Would love to see more presentations of physical evidence from autopsies and lab tests, to complement statistical studies.]

Related search terms: D-Dimer test, low-dose aspirin, blood thinner, microclots, https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-01403-8/

Re: FDA Approves First Covid-19 Vaccine

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Post by p_j_w »

foolfoolz wrote: post #736
p_j_w wrote: post #607

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It's my car, I should be allowed to choose to drive it drunk.

drive it drunk on gvt owned roads? where you have a license to operate it if you abide by specific rules? and you lose the license if any of them are broken? that’s a very different comparison to something like going to a private business what about driving drunk on your own land away from anyone

>that’s a very different comparison to something like going to a private business

Governments regulate comings and goings of people to and from private businesses all the time. We don't allow people under 21 to go to bars or people under 18 to go to strip clubs, for example.

>what about driving drunk on your own land away from anyone

If you wanna walk around on your own land away from anyone without getting vaccinated and/or while having covid? Have at it.

Re: FDA Approves First Covid-19 Vaccine

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Post by renaudg »

daddylongstroke wrote: post #970
mikro2nd wrote: post #110

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My brother had that (quite legitimate, really) concern. So he delayed vaccination. Now he has Covid. Doctors talking of amputating his toes because of blood clots. Death is not the worst thing to be feared in this.

Anecdotally, I know someone who got the vaccine, and dropped to the ground of a heart attack 3 days later - no prior history of any heart issues or hypertension. Thankfully, he was near an EMT unit that had to bring him back.

Yay anecdotal evidence !
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