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Re: Replit used legal threats to kill my open-source project

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post #757

Hey everyone, I want to apologize for the inappropriate use of power here. While I do believe there is an ethical line that was crossed here, I should have called him to understand his point of view and work it out. Which is what I'll try to do now, and see if we can get his project back up again. I'm sorry Radon. The lesson for me here is to internalize how I'm no longer the struggling kid from Jordan fighting for m…

Intresting fact from 2011:

"Second, we’re also excited to announce one of the first (of many!) projects that Amjad has worked on with us: Codecademy Labs, the easiest way to play with JavaScript, Ruby, and Python online." (http://www.codecademy.com/resources/blog/amjad-joins-codecad...)

Hmmm...

Re: Replit used legal threats to kill my open-source project

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post #757

Hey everyone, I want to apologize for the inappropriate use of power here. While I do believe there is an ethical line that was crossed here, I should have called him to understand his point of view and work it out. Which is what I'll try to do now, and see if we can get his project back up again. I'm sorry Radon. The lesson for me here is to internalize how I'm no longer the struggling kid from Jordan fighting for m…

Even though you still were a struggling kid from Jordan that doesn't call for you doing a personal attack on an intern, and treathening with lawyers.

Re: Replit used legal threats to kill my open-source project

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There was no ethical lines crossed. If you have proof that he copied code from your repo then that is illegal. But if he copied the idea, there's nothing ethically wrong with that. The one who crossed an ethical line is you. You can't protect ideas, only actual code. What is ethically wrong is bullying a former intern with legal threats. You need to learn this, I guess the hard way.

Many people would say it's ethically wrong to copy an idea. In fact, it is common to see people up in arms on HN about it, when the power dynamic is reversed.

Almost all ideas are copied in some way. Even if an idea is original, not all of it is. Most successful companies aren’t the first one to offer whatever product they’re offering. Everyone is working with what came before them and building on it. Very few things are wholly unique. There is nothing unethical about it in itself.

The problem is when a large company muscles small ones out unfairly (using their clout, money or lawyers to push competition out).

Re: Replit used legal threats to kill my open-source project

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on a seriously technical point of view. It is obvious the person kept the code repository and when making a new project the commit history (or part of it) moved together. So excluding how the CEO acted, it is obvious the intern has the codebase (or part of it) and I am pretty sure that under their contract they are not allowed to do what they did. As for the way they approach things, ye the CEO is from YC getting pra…

> It is obvious the person kept the code repository and when making a new project the commit history (or part of it) moved together

What? There is no indication of that. What are you trying to say?

Re: Replit used legal threats to kill my open-source project

#976
post #757

Hey everyone, I want to apologize for the inappropriate use of power here. While I do believe there is an ethical line that was crossed here, I should have called him to understand his point of view and work it out. Which is what I'll try to do now, and see if we can get his project back up again. I'm sorry Radon. The lesson for me here is to internalize how I'm no longer the struggling kid from Jordan fighting for m…

Amjad - It took courage to reverse course here and I respect you for doing that.

Replit will be fine... think of the level of effort it takes to create a truly great product and all of the polish your platform already has. The key for you is to just stay focused on innovating and serving your customers!

All the best!

--harris

Re: Replit used legal threats to kill my open-source project

#977
post #729

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Not personal details. It was relevant [professional] correspondence and you can see how professional the student was. In contrast to the CEO, who said along the lines - we got a lot of money and we have lawyers.

Replying here to your other comment: "however there’s not really an expectation of privacy in professional correspondence" Uhm, yes there is. Internal company email as well as email between companies is expected to stay between the sender and receivers. Almost every corporate email footer mentions this explicitly. I'm quite convinced that neither employers or employees would be cool with their emails being dumped on…

It's not internal here.

Re: Replit used legal threats to kill my open-source project

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Effective immediately I guess I will be discouraging the use of repl.it to everyone I know. I cannot stand bullies who backstab new members of the FOSS community, despite posturing about their love for F/OSS and the spirit of libre software.

In a just world, whoever now holds the US patents for running-a-gui-box-that-is-network-presentable-and-can-evaluate-user-code (Xerox Parc? Sun? Oh, wouldn't it be lovely if it was Larry's lawyers!) would sue the bejeezus out of your low moat offering out of sympathy with the kid, Amjad Masad.

Re: Replit used legal threats to kill my open-source project

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post #925

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I'm surprised that others don't find mentioning your former company's name in a commit message, for similar software, an admission that you were inspired or thinking of that company's design. When software is both your hobby and your profession, you have to think carefully about what you mix and how. The developer also goes onto state that what he did is nothing new and he decides what repl.it's IP is on their behalf…

But if source code was copied repl.it could have said "this is our code and their code side to side, spot the difference". Especially given the current (negative) mood that would have won them the public opinion. The fact that they didn't do such a thing suggests to me that they know they don't have a true case. Because if they had, it would be a entirely different discussion by now

In our adversarial judicial system, you really don't have to disclose that until discovery. A lawyer may want to keep some of those similarities "close to the chest" to see how the other side responds first to some discovery requests. (this system is far from perfect).

Re: Replit used legal threats to kill my open-source project

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would play devil's advocate here and say that the situation is probably muddier than it is presented in the blog. Also there appers to be a level of trust here (at least the Replit CEO trusted that OP will not make this go viral on HN and spiral into a PR nightmare I suppose, which though is the most entertaining path it can take) Not sure how talented OP is. This can as well be a case study of who not to hire.

Yeah, we are just getting one side. That said, all the possible IP in something like this is in security, reliability, scalability and good UX. Severely doubt the OP spent much time on that. The CEO is probably just having trouble dealing with stress and is acting out. It happens.

The CEO Amjad Masad has been doubling down on his story both here on HN and on Twitter. Also, this is a story told with receipts, and receipts carry a weight of their own. Namely, private emails made public. You can see for yourself whether you'll ever see the other side speak through the language of receipts.

It's also notable that Amjad used to work at CodeAcademy on up-and-going interactive coding experiences. Now he has his own company building up-and-going interactive coding experiences. What did Amjad learn while he was at CodeAcademy, being privy to internal business operations?

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