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Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by frosted-flakes »

slownews45 wrote: post #671

I want a super small pickup truck. My neighbor has a very old truck, it's SMALL (only font seats, no "cab", smaller width, height and everything) So they used to make smaller trucks. I'm serious. I just need room for myself, occasionally one other person, and random crap (canoes, boats etc on a rack in back, garden, house, etc crap in bed). We have a family car for the whole family. This could be uncomfortable and sm…

Toyota Tacoma or Ford Ranger, probably. Look into buying a used Ford Ranger from the late 90s to early 2000s (or Mazdas of similar age; they're the same truck).

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by OldHand2018 »

rige wrote: post #948
outworlder wrote: post #760

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> No comprehensive supercharger network. Agreed. I've been driving a Leaf since 2015 (two different generations by now) and the main reason that makes road trips unpalatable is NOT range. Not at all. Charging more often? Sure, whatever. Unless it's a business trip or a trip across the country it's fine. I've discovered some stuff I'd probably would never have otherwise, by routing via chargers in small towns. No, the…

Agreed with most of your points, just curious about: > Same way you won't get good mileage on any car if you do that What do you mean by that? Aren't ICE cars often more efficient at highway speeds? My car usually averages 45ish MPG on the highway and more like 30 in the city.. the sweet spot seems to be around 60-70 mph. Some US highways get up to 80 or 90, but that still (at least for the cars I've owned) ends up m…

The sweet spot for your car is actually more like 45-50 mph, but you are not really going to find long stretches of road with those speeds.

Try driving US highway 1 from Key Largo to Key West. It’s about 100 miles with a 45mph speed limit, at sea level. Set your cruise control at 45 on an evening with light traffic. It will be the best fuel economy you’ve ever seen in your car, by a wide margin.

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by Kerrick »

auiya wrote: post #742
jrsj wrote: post #233

There’s a lot of stereotyping of truck owners going on in this thread which is kind of funny given how pro-EV HN normally is. It’s like the aesthetics of a pickup truck is offensive to some people. Kind of bizarre and not something I’m used to seeing but I guess I live in Ohio so that probably has something to do with it. A lot of people just want to move stuff, they don’t want to like…burn your house down while wear…

Practical?! Have you ever tried loading heavy objects into a truck bed that's 4.5 feet off the ground? There's literally no utilitarian use for them at this point even in agricultural settings, much less the urban and suburban landscapes where they typically plague. What ever happened to the small truck? Much easier to load, much less of a road hazard/nuisance. For me it's the increasingly large size of all trucks wh…

> There's literally no utilitarian use for them at this point even in agricultural settings

That... What?!

At the local MFA, when buying feed or fertilizer, you back your vehicle up to the warehouse-style loading dock, where the raised floor of the storage facility is about the height of the average truck bed off the road height. When I buy things in my sedan and load them into the trunk, I either have to drop them off from a great height, or take them down a small set of stairs. When people buy in a truck, the employees use a forklift to put the pallet directly into the truck bed.

At the farm, it's not uncommon to have a tractor with a front end loader either with a bucket to dump things into the pickup bed, or a set of pallet forks for loading/unloading solid or bagged objects.

How can you _possibly_ say that there's "literally no utilitarian use" for truck beds in agricultural settings?

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by fma »

Kerrick wrote: post #928
fma wrote: post #911

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I don't think many people will be driving an EV Ford F-150 cross country. Minivan...yes. SUV yes. Work truck, not likely. If people have the occasional need to drive cross country, just rent a gas vehicle till the infrastructure is there. Till then it's just fear mongering causes a slower adoption of EV, which means a slower rollout of a national network.

One of the things I need a truck for is to tow a trailer with cows inside to (and back from) a facility that can extract eggs, implant embryos, etc. Unfortunately, that route doesn't follow any interstate highways and is about 180 miles each way. I'd absolutely LOVE to tow them with an electric truck and eliminate emissions from the picture. I've been eagerly awaiting something like the Cybertruck/Lightning, but unti…

Then...don't get an EV truck? You're not the target audience. Might be a 360 round trip capability. Someone else will need to take their cows 400 miles round trip...then 420? At what point is good enough is good enough.

Your criticism will likely prevent someone else where it fits their use case from buying it just because of a "what if" scenario and prevents the overall cause of eliminating emissions.

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by MaxDPS »

jdhn wrote: post #338
leesec wrote: post #230

I'm really happy Ford and others are starting to actually deliver on EV's. I do however think there will be a long list of issues as they scale the roll out, given the newness and complexity of this product. Here are some concerns I think people should be aware of: 1. No comprehensive supercharger network. This is a real big deal still. Using existing non-supercharging networks is not feasible for any long distance.…

>4. No Autopilot. This is a big sell for many EV users Is it really? I'm looking at an EV for my next car, and not once have I considered Autopilots availability as a musthave feature. Then again, most people who get excited about Autopilot seem to think that driving is a chore that should be removed, while I love driving.

I like driving, but I don’t like bumper to bumper traffic. That’s where autopilot comes in handy.

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by CRConrad »

nickik wrote: post #946
rodgerd wrote: post #942

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> The $50k Cybertruck gets you 300 miles. The Cybertruck gets you nothing. It doesn't exist.

And neither does the F150 Lightning. What a dumb ass argument.

President Biden drove the F150 Lightning on TV. Has anyone (outside Tesla) driven the Cybertruck on TV yet?

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by CRConrad »

leesec wrote: post #605
loudmax wrote: post #255

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I agree with your issues 1 and 2. Batteries do not yet match the energy density of petrol. There are plenty of cases where the shorter range isn't a problem, but buyers need to know have a clear understanding up front. I don't think issues 3 and 4 really need to have much to do with electric vehicles. Autopilot and electric are orthogonal properties. The only connection is that they're both pioneered by Tesla. Otherw…

Autopilot sure but software updates are obviously an issue if they can brick your car.

Well, at least the exterior design has given the F-150 a fitting shape for that.

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by CRConrad »

rige wrote: post #948
outworlder wrote: post #760

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> No comprehensive supercharger network. Agreed. I've been driving a Leaf since 2015 (two different generations by now) and the main reason that makes road trips unpalatable is NOT range. Not at all. Charging more often? Sure, whatever. Unless it's a business trip or a trip across the country it's fine. I've discovered some stuff I'd probably would never have otherwise, by routing via chargers in small towns. No, the…

Agreed with most of your points, just curious about: > Same way you won't get good mileage on any car if you do that What do you mean by that? Aren't ICE cars often more efficient at highway speeds? My car usually averages 45ish MPG on the highway and more like 30 in the city.. the sweet spot seems to be around 60-70 mph. Some US highways get up to 80 or 90, but that still (at least for the cars I've owned) ends up m…

> Aren't ICE cars often more efficient at highway speeds?

No. They're more efficient at constant speeds, because the ICE can only be really optimised for a very narrow RPM band, but that need not necessarily translate into higher speeds.

Just choose a lower gear, and watch your fuel consumption drop significantly below what it would be at higher speed in a higher gear.

The main reason for this is that air resistance, which costs energy (=fuel) to overcome, rises not linearly with rising speed, but in proportion to the square thereof.

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by CRConrad »

dragonwriter wrote: post #951
outworlder wrote: post #760

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> No comprehensive supercharger network. Agreed. I've been driving a Leaf since 2015 (two different generations by now) and the main reason that makes road trips unpalatable is NOT range. Not at all. Charging more often? Sure, whatever. Unless it's a business trip or a trip across the country it's fine. I've discovered some stuff I'd probably would never have otherwise, by routing via chargers in small towns. No, the…

> Same way you won't get good mileage on any car if you do that Er, no, traditional gas cars fuel economy is optimal in freeway driving, despite the fact that more delivered energy is required than at slower speeds. Hybrids and electric cars, which can be closer to peak delivery efficiency over a broader range of speeds, have peak economy at lower speeds.

> Er, no, traditional gas cars fuel economy is optimal in freeway driving, despite the fact that more delivered energy is required than at slower speeds.

Depends on how you define "freeway driving": If you mean constant speed, then yes; if you mean high speed, then no.

> Hybrids and electric cars, which can be closer to peak delivery efficiency over a broader range of speeds, have peak economy at lower speeds.

So do ICE cars. Energy (=fuel) consumption rises with the square of speed, because aerodynamic resistance does. That's just a law of nature, irrespective of engine technology.

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by maxerickson »

dragonwriter wrote: post #951
outworlder wrote: post #760

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> No comprehensive supercharger network. Agreed. I've been driving a Leaf since 2015 (two different generations by now) and the main reason that makes road trips unpalatable is NOT range. Not at all. Charging more often? Sure, whatever. Unless it's a business trip or a trip across the country it's fine. I've discovered some stuff I'd probably would never have otherwise, by routing via chargers in small towns. No, the…

> Same way you won't get good mileage on any car if you do that Er, no, traditional gas cars fuel economy is optimal in freeway driving, despite the fact that more delivered energy is required than at slower speeds. Hybrids and electric cars, which can be closer to peak delivery efficiency over a broader range of speeds, have peak economy at lower speeds.

The tool at https://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/driveHabits.jsp shows 50 mph as the cheaper speed even for 2021 vehicles.

Not sure it's doing much more than inputting the single number fuel economy into an equation though.

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