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Amazon, Apple and Google Cut Off Parler

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Re: Amazon, Apple and Google Cut Off Parler

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Free speech is not "without consequences". There's nothing stopping them from starting their own data centre.

There was nothing stopping them from starting their own app... Until Amazon came along.

There is nothing stopping them from starting their own data center... Until the ISPs come along.

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There is a massive business opportunity here.

Funny enough Gab is probably best positioned to take advantage of it. It has been deplatformed years ago and survived by basically building whole stack from scratch.

There were many many many millions of American citizens who voted from Trump. None of this changing any minds. At this point for purposes of political speech Twitter, FB, Amazon have decided to abandon almost half of US market. If you think that chunk of the market will remain underserved you deluding yourself.

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I've read comments saying, "if you don't like Apple's policies, build a new smartphone." Are these people aware that that the same type of argument lead to the creation of parler: "if you don't like twitter censorship, build a new platform". It will be built. What then? At this point we are heading towards a complete mitosis of our information channels based on political ideology.

> At this point we are heading towards a complete mitosis of our information channels based on political ideology.

This isn't a new thing though? People have always sought out information channels that reinforce their own views. Twitter/FB/Youtube were already infamous for presenting entirely different streams of content to left and right wing audiences. When they were less popular it was Fox vs MSNBC/CNN etc. and before that the newspaper you read.

The issue we're seeing now is that people are being attacked by a torrent of information. You're much more likely to be radicalised if every 5 minutes you get a tweet notification about the latest "deep state paedophilia ring"; compared to receiving a monthly newsletter that can be analysed and picked apart in the interim period.

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I'm just going to come out and say something that I've had a hard self reflective time coming to the conclusion of. I don't believe in free speech without limits. I have strongly felt that the actions taken by these companies is morally and ethically the right thing to do, for any business and that is inconsistent with believing in true free speech. My line for free speech seems to lie in speech that incites violence…

I have not yet concluded whether I believe in free speech without limits, but I can at least say with confidence the following: - Freedom of speech is of extremely high importance for any free society and should not be taken for granted - Removing it in any capacity should be done with extreme care and free of any bias one way or another, with a lot of thought put into any future consequences - Speech without a platf…

> - Speech without a platform isn't speech at all

Free speech is the freedom to say what you like without punishment. It doesn't mean that everyone has a natural birthright to an audience, or to free, global distribution of their speech.

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It must feel pretty surreal to be someone that is constantly moving to different communication apps and instantly finding them pulled by anyone and everyone. We've seen an escalation of this from higher-level platforms (obviously Twitter can ban an account if they desire) to medium-level platforms (I suppose Apple gets to pick what I can do on my own phone even if it feels a bit wrong), but I'm curious if this will a…

It has already escalated. AWS is a hosting company and is booting off Parler.

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post #146

I've read comments saying, "if you don't like Apple's policies, build a new smartphone." Are these people aware that that the same type of argument lead to the creation of parler: "if you don't like twitter censorship, build a new platform". It will be built. What then? At this point we are heading towards a complete mitosis of our information channels based on political ideology.

Now they have to also build a new hosting company. They will so AWS just created a new competitor and also made every company have to consider a new existential risk of getting kicked off of AWS.

Re: Amazon, Apple and Google Cut Off Parler

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This of course brings up the highly controversial issue of whether you should optimize your architecture for multicloud or go all-in on one provider. Edit: I would recommend Corey Quinn's thread for more background, but tl;dr it's hard to get kicked off AWS and it's not happening due to political slant https://twitter.com/QuinnyPig/status/1348130385411018752

At this point you should definitely go multicloud and I will have to present that point to my company or I would be derelict in duties.
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