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Re: YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread election fraud

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If there is to be toleration in the world, one of the things taught in schools must be the habit of weighing evidence, and the practice of not giving full assent to propositions which there is no reason to believe true. For example, the art of reading the newspapers should be taught. The schoolmaster should select some incident which happened a good many years ago, and roused political passions in its day. He should…

During the run up to the Iraq war, my history teacher in high school showed us front page articles and headlines about it, basically reading between the lines and extracting information that the casual reader didn't pick up on.

Re: YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread election fraud

#973
Let me tell you a story.

There once was a company that made a social media platform for sharing video content. The platform was monetized by ads. The company noticed that its users watched more ads so long as they were being shown content which appealed to their personal preferences and opinions. The company dubbed this phenomena "engagement" and quickly introduced an algorithm to maximize engagement by constantly suggesting content which appealed to each individual user.

People loved the company's social media platform and it quickly grew larger than any of its alternatives. Luckily, the company already controlled the world's most popular search engine, web browser, and mobile operating system, so it was easy to make their platform and its addicting algorithm as accessible as possible. A few competitors still existed, but none came anywhere close to the scale and accessibility of the company's platform.

But something happened.

The algorithm which helped the platform grow and made so much money was having an adverse affect on the platform's users. The users were only being exposed to content they liked, which helped establish echo chambers. People were coddled by content which helped reinforce their existing opinions - never challenge them. As people became more and more established in their echo chambers, misinformation began to spread like wild fire. Users were desperate and the algorithm rewarded creators who provided content to help them avoid challenging their own opinions - regardless of whether it was true or not.

What was the company to do? The algorithm was too profitable for them to simply turn it off - especially when it came to political content. They tried demonetizing content about particular subjects and adding "fact check" bubbles to combat the spread of misinformation but it wasn't enough. They eventually started trying to identify and remove the content with misinformation altogether, but even that wasn't enough.

But then something amazing happens and th- oh my look at the time! I need to go now. Maybe we can finish this story some other day.

Re: YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread election fraud

#974

If there is to be toleration in the world, one of the things taught in schools must be the habit of weighing evidence, and the practice of not giving full assent to propositions which there is no reason to believe true. For example, the art of reading the newspapers should be taught. The schoolmaster should select some incident which happened a good many years ago, and roused political passions in its day. He should…

"False balance, also bothsidesism, is a media bias in which journalists present an issue as being more balanced between opposing viewpoints than the evidence supports. Journalists may present evidence and arguments out of proportion to the actual evidence for each side, or may omit information that would establish one side's claims as baseless. False balance has been cited as a major cause of spreading misinformation…

I have recently seen two people attacked on Twitter for being balanced and not wanting to take the extreme point of view. I don't think it's healthy to polarize the talk so much.

Re: YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread election fraud

#975
post #961

Holy shit, this thread is scary. Sure, there are some implications worth discussing based on this news. However, the number of people directly posting doubts on the election results is way more concerning and shows that Youtube might be doing a good thing in this case.

I don't think the vote was rigged. But rationally I have no way to be 100% certain, because, as a thought experiment, if it really was rigged, what would look different to how it does look? The fact that "everyone knew" and was expecting the losing side to cry foul means that when they do, everyone says "you see? Told you so." But if it really was, how would we know? What would look different? The fact that those who…

Republicans outperformed expectations in Congressional results. This is unusual given congressional results and presidential results have historically correlated. I don't understand the explanation for that if Democrats rigged the election somehow.

It seems more plausible that:

- there was a really high turnout aided by widespread absentee voting

- a large single-digit percentage of voters went Republican in the congressional races but didn't vote for Trump

I can't think of a fraud based scenario with any factual support that is as compelling.

Re: YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread election fraud

#977

20 years ago reputed organizations such as newspapers, radio stations and television informed people the truth. Conspiracy theories were fringe and didn't have a way to spread. Today more than half the population believes in conspiracy theories because they learn the "truth" from disreputable sources on social media. This is dangerous for society. I am glad social media companies are taking action themselves, instead…

> 20 years ago reputed organizations such as newspapers, radio stations and television informed people the truth. Conspiracy theories were fringe and didn't have a way to spread. Today more than half the population believes in conspiracy theories because they learn the "truth" from disreputable sources on social media.

Why do you suppose that is, though? Could it be because algorithms designed to feed users content they like promote and reinforce echo chambers which, in turn, incentivize the creation and spread of convenient misinformation?

Social media did not start the echo chambers, but they have played a huge role in making them more accessible and extreme than ever before. How can we trust them to safeguard us from misinformation when they are the ones profiting from it?

I do not want Google deciding what is and isn't "misinformation". As far as I'm concerned, they're more guilty of the mess we're now in than any media organization or content creator.

Re: YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread election fraud

#979

Unpopular opinion: it is much better to have a leader hated by the media and who's every move is scrutinized by the press than to have a leader cowtowed by the press and given a free pass on anything. How do I know? I'm from Russia. Authoritatism begins with tight control of news sources.

This comment is really weird. There is a good reason why the media publishes more negative articles about some presidents and fewer on others; some presidents are legitimately better or worse than others.

Seriously? This president has not started/entered into a war for the first time since Carter, reformed the criminal justice system to reverse laws that unfairly targeted minorities and non-violent drug crimes (laws supported by Biden when they were passed, btw), presided over a record low unemployment rate and record high wage increases for American workers prior to the pandemic and the media treats him like he's the reincarnation of Hitler.

Imagine if Obama reformed the criminal justice system, wasn't a war monger in Syria/Libya and presided over a record economic boom? He'd be made a saint or something.

Go figure.

Re: YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread election fraud

#980
It's actions like that that give me reason to doubt the results of the 2020 election. People weilding the truth don't need to censor people. They let the facts speak for themselves, and they let free discussion sort things out.

Youtube doesn't censor Holocaust denial videos, Chinese propaganda, people claiming Hillary is still the rightful winner of the 2016 election, and a host of horrible things. Nor should they. People should be free to discuss what they want, not what a Youtube CEO things they should want.

But people complaining about 2020 election fraud is where they draw the line? This really smacks of Orwellianism. "Say Biden is the President, or we'll ban you." What the hell is happening at Youtube?

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