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Apple unveils M1, its first system-on-a-chip for portable Mac computers

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Post by 0x0 »

pat2man wrote: post #778
0x0 wrote: post #183

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But that's for macOS binaries. Not for VMs.

"With the translation technology of Rosetta 2, users will be able to run existing Mac apps that have not yet been updated, including those with plug-ins. Virtualization technology allows users to run Linux" https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2020/06/apple-announces-mac-t...

Nowhere does this mention virtualizing x86 VMs.

In fact, the virtualization framework does not seem to have anything to do with rosetta at all. Note that those are two different sentences, and they appear to be not related.

Re: Apple unveils M1, its first system-on-a-chip for portable Mac computers

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Post by acjohnson55 »

jfb wrote: post #780
noncoml wrote: post #273

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I think they got it wrong. I would pay money to NOT have the touchbar.

Honestly, the idea of a soft keyboard is a great one, particularly one as well integrated into the OS as the Touch Bar is. However, while I have a Mac with the Touch Bar, I never ever ever ever use it intentionally, as I spend 90% of my time on the computer using an external keyboard.

Just put that control panel at the bottom of the screen. It would still be close enough, and it would be out of the way of my accidental touches.

Re: Apple unveils M1, its first system-on-a-chip for portable Mac computers

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Post by dbbk »

ninkendo wrote: post #54
protomyth wrote: post #32

16GB max it looks like.

huge own-goal on Apple's part. It would be literally impossible for me to use this machine to do my job. I guess I'll have to wait until M2. Edit: If it wasn't clear, this was not a joke. I develop a relatively heavyweight service on the JVM, and between my IDE, the code I run, and all the gradle build daemon stuff, I regularly use up more than 32GB. Often over 50GB. (Although some swap is tolerable, having the major…

You're aware that these are Apple's low-end machines right? They haven't released a high-powered M-series Mac yet.

Re: Apple unveils M1, its first system-on-a-chip for portable Mac computers

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Post by saagarjha »

The_rationalist wrote: post #956
saagarjha wrote: post #438

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Perhaps you should wait until people get their hands on it before forming an opinion on it…

Did I state an assertion or did I ask a question?

You asked a loaded question, so both, really?

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Post by RoutinePlayer »

xienze wrote: post #506
satysin wrote: post #165

No 32GB options on any of the models announced today is a shame. Or not I guess as it means I won't be buying anything today M1 looks impressive, hopefully it scales as well to higher TDPs. Pretty much what I expected today with all the low power models getting updated. With no fan I expect the Air will throttle the CPU quickly when using the high performance cores. Calling it an "8-core CPU" is a little cheeky IMHO…

> Or not I guess as it means I won't be buying anything today Honestly, people who don't use their computers as Facebook machines or have very specific things they want to do with the ML engine should probably stay away from Arm Macs for a couple years. There's bound to be plenty of software that doesn't work or doesn't work well, Docker will have ~limited usefulness until more and more people publish Arm images, etc…

Such a good point. I wonder how many folks don't actually realize there's a different ecosystem for Docker x86 and ARM images.

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Post by chartpath »

I keep waiting for each new generation to offer more RAM than my 2015 MBP which has 16GB and is still going strong. How else can I run a bunch of docker containers?

But every new release is the same or worse for memory. Is there something about these new architectures that I'm missing which should negate my desire?

Why can't I get a machine with 32GB RAM for under $3k or whatever they are now?

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Post by derefr »

derefr wrote: post #461
forgot-my-pw wrote: post #407

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I'm confused of their new pricing scheme / spec tiers for Macbook Pros. There's no more core i7 for Macbook 13. You have to go to Macbook 16. I'd rather get a Dell XPS or other Core i7/Ryzen 7 ultrabooks. So now, spec-wise, Macbook Air and Macbook Pro are too close.

I'm guessing the MBP13 is now a legacy model, being refreshed more to satisfy direct-product-line lease upgrades for corporate customers, than to satisfy consumer demand. Along with the MBP16 refresh (which will use the "M1X", the higher-end chip), we'll probably see the higher-end MBP13s refreshed with said chip as well, but rebranded somehow, e.g. as the "MacBook Pro 14-inch" or something (as the rumors go: same si…

Addendum: just got an email from the Apple Store Business Team about the MBP13. Here's the copy they're using (emphasis mine):

> "Need a powerful tool for your business that’s compatible with your existing systems? Let’s talk. We’ll help you compare models and find the right Mac for you and your team."

That's a corporate-focused legacy-model refresh if I've ever seen one.

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Post by ithkuil »

ChuckMcM wrote: post #489

I think Apple has done an amazing job of pulling off their own silicon. At Sun I got to be involved peripherally in the effort that created SPARC and it was way more work than I had suspected. So kudos to Apple's design, engineering, and QA teams! I am also noting that they have killed the "ARM SoC's will never match what Intel can do" story line. That always reminded me of the "Microcomputers will never be able to d…

Apropos SPARC, one of the most interesting features of that ISA (apart from mainstreaming register windows) was the tagged arithmetic instructions. Does anybody know why they didn't have much success in later ISAs?

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Post by myrandomcomment »

manquer wrote: post #939
myrandomcomment wrote: post #573

So there is an interesting trend here in the comments because HN is very developer focused. Everyone seems to say "well this does not work for my XXX because of RAM, etc." I would say yes, no surprises there! With this line up Apple is fine with that, because the Air and 13" are not targeted at you. This is the laptop for my wife or kids that use it for school, web, some music and video, nothing at a professional lev…

It is literally called Pro if that is not for professionals then what is ? its $1,000+ price tag is pretty steep if exclusively targeted towards consumer market. Also the wife and kids have plenty of alternative devices including the iPad to do basic school, web and multimedia, the value prop for just that market is not convincing enough for me Why would I buy and iPad and MB Pro if they are basically going to do the…

Not to be snarky but if $1000+ is steep then your are not Apples target market. :) They have phones that cost over $1000 so $1000 for a laptop seems to fit.

For me, we just went all in on the Apple ecosystem because it is simple and the least invasive privacy wise. I do tech for a living so when I get home the last thing I want to do is debug anything. I think in the last 5 years the number of times my family has asked me for help to resolve something is under 5. This was not the case when we had Windows systems, Windows media centers, etc.

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