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My Resignation from the Intercept

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Re: My Resignation from the Intercept

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Post by MichaelMoser123 »

gfodor wrote: post #6

The media has fallen into the well-known trap of optimizing the wrong KPI. You want to maximize trust with the public, not engagement, if you want your media company to survive if its value proposition is providing journalism and the usual benefits that come with a free press. Unfortunately, not only is engagement the wrong metric, but it's also one which incentivizes the undermining of the actual metric you need to…

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l8pkCZBjgrk Glenn Greenwald on fox news (starting with 4:00) My summary: During the last four years the left lost its scepticism towards the secret service, this as the CIA has tried to topple Trump. Now they are in the same boat (in his words 'full union with') the CIA/security state. Snowden was motivated by his anger at the interference of the NSA in internal affairs (who are all supposed to deal in foreign affairs only), now the whole lot is deep within internal matters and 'telling Americans what to think'. He says the whole thing is very dangerous - as the CIA guys are professional disinformation specialists with an authoritarian mindset, and they are likely to gain a lot of influence.

Re: My Resignation from the Intercept

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Post by MichaelMoser123 »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l8pkCZBjgrk Glenn Greenwald on fox news (starting with 4:00) My summary: During the last four years the left lost its scepticism towards the secret service, this as the CIA has tried to topple Trump. Now they are in the same boat (in his words 'full union with') the CIA/security state. Snowden was motivated by his anger at the interference of the NSA in internal affairs (who are all supposed to deal in foreign affairs only), now the whole lot is deep within internal matters and 'telling Americans what to think'. He says the whole thing is very dangerous - as the CIA guys are professional disinformation specialists with an authoritarian mindset, and they are likely to gain a lot of influence.

Re: My Resignation from the Intercept

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Post by lliamander »

ehsankia wrote: post #231
__blockcipher__ wrote: post #191

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're propagating disinfo - in the real sense of the word, not the modern Orwellian meaning - with this line of criticism. Because this is a story that has absolutely been vetted, but the issue is all of the left-leaning mainstream media (read: literally everyone except parts of Fox News) have absolutely refused to cover this story. Do you really believe if the same story were about a member of the Trump family, tha…

Take a minute to step back. What do you think is more probable. That every single news organization out there, every single journalist, including NPR as you mention, are trying to hide this very real story and are wrong, while the one publication is in the right. Or that maybe, just maybe, it's the other way around and NYP published something that has not been well vetted?

I think many of these institutions are probably experiencing some internal tension about whether to publish this story, but that they dominant culture and voices are so panicked about the possibility of a Trump re-election that they are highly resistant to granting the story any credibility.

By the way, the emails found on the laptop have now been authenticated by a 3rd party security firm that has been relied upon before by "mainstream" publications like the Washington Post[1]. Not to mention that there is Tony Bobulinski, the CEO of Sinohawk that was founded in partnership with the Biden's, who has publicly stated that not only was Joe Biden aware of his son's foreign business activities, but that he believes Joe Biden was part of the bribery scheme.

[1] https://amp.dailycaller.com/2020/10/29/cybersecurity-expert-...

Re: My Resignation from the Intercept

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Post by ggggtez »

Uhhrrr wrote: post #744
ggggtez wrote: post #346

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It's also the kind of story that can break someone's journalistic career. Even Fox News wouldn't run the story because it wasn't supported by facts. And last I heard, there still has been no concrete evidence of wrongdoing. Tucker Carlson claims that his evidence "got lost in the mail". In the age of the internet, they didn't snap any photos of this so-called proof? There is no "there" there. Just a bunch of internet…

UPS confirms that the package was lost: https://www.thedailybeast.com/ups-confirms-mystery-tucker-ca...

Don't be confused. Packages are lost, and found, every day. The real question is about what they claim to be the contents of the package. Which as of today, is still unknown.

At this point, 4 days from the election, you should be especially skeptical of extraordinary claims without proof.

Re: My Resignation from the Intercept

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Post by ggggtez »

refurb wrote: post #778
ggggtez wrote: post #346

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It's also the kind of story that can break someone's journalistic career. Even Fox News wouldn't run the story because it wasn't supported by facts. And last I heard, there still has been no concrete evidence of wrongdoing. Tucker Carlson claims that his evidence "got lost in the mail". In the age of the internet, they didn't snap any photos of this so-called proof? There is no "there" there. Just a bunch of internet…

Even Fox News wouldn't run the story because it wasn't supported by facts. Run what story? Fox news has been covering the hard drive since it was released. And yes, no concrete evidence of wrong doing, but if you read Glenn's email, he clearly states that "something smells rotten" and the editors response is "we won't even allow pointed questions about Biden". Glenn is offering the Biden camp more benefit of the doub…

> Fox news has been covering the hard drive since it was released.

This isn't quite accurate. Rudy Giuliani went to Fox news before it was released, and they declined to take it. After it was released, they of course had no choice but to report it.

Re: My Resignation from the Intercept

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Post by lliamander »

Traster wrote: post #961
fareesh wrote: post #865

There seems to be a premise in the USA that if Russia has a hand in true information coming to light, the bigger story is about Russia's hand in it, and not the information itself. This narrative has been seen a lot, and often times it is invoked as the default narrative whenever things are being claimed in a particular political direction. I would like to question this at a fundamental level. At what point does the…

The obvious point is that for a country to have a democracy that's free from manipulation by foreign entities it needs to strongly act against foreign influences attempting to interfere. If media publications credulously publish explosive accusations in the month before an election then you have a very easy way for foreign entities to influence elections. Even if you buy Bobulinski as a credible witness it's difficul…

The timing is definitely suspicious for the laptop contents to be released, but as for Bobulinski, I think his timing came down to two things:

1) He only had part of the picture to begin with. It was the release of some of the laptop's contents that made it clear (in his mind) that Joe Biden was in fact receiving bribes from foreign governments through his son.

2) Given his own involvement in Sinohawk, the leap to portraying the emails as part of "Russian disinformation" cast a shadow over his own reputation, and he asked the Biden campaign to issue a retraction of that characterization. I think many people naturally don't want to be involved in controversies like this because of the personal costs, but he felt it was necessary in part to protect his own reputation.

Re: My Resignation from the Intercept

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Post by afiori »

mikeruhl wrote: post #545

meanwhile, we are watching Trump's entire family profit from DTJ's presidency. Why doesn't Greenwald write a story about that? His article is basically, "well no one confirmed none of the deals happened! So there's still a chance!" Come on man, we're watching this unfold in real time in the current administration. Clean your own house.

Well, the point of the article is that Greenwald was trying to write about how an (ex)(vice)president was using his influence to enrich his family...

Re: My Resignation from the Intercept

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Post by afiori »

tolbish wrote: post #104
__blockcipher__ wrote: post #76

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It's such a no-brainer since the national security apparatus (the FBI, NSA, etc) were used against Trump and his campaign very transparently. So you'd think he would want to strike a blow against them by pardoning Snowden. In reality, he doesn't seem to have a deep, principled understanding of the issues of the "national security" apparatus (commonly known as the "deep state"). So I'm not optimistic, although maybe h…

I am not saying he would pardon Snowden out of morality.

Something interesting that Snowden says is that he is not asking for a pardon, his condition for going back to the US is to drop the strict-liability qualification of his crime.

It wouldn't be something easy on him, but a judicial precedent could be even better than a pardon.

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Post by neilpointer »

thu2111 wrote: post #948
ggggtez wrote: post #346

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's also the kind of story that can break someone's journalistic career. Even Fox News wouldn't run the story because it wasn't supported by facts. And last I heard, there still has been no concrete evidence of wrongdoing. Tucker Carlson claims that his evidence "got lost in the mail". In the age of the internet, they didn't snap any photos of this so-called proof? There is no "there" there. Just a bunch of internet…

Tucker Carlson claims that his evidence "got lost in the mail" No he didn't - where did that come from? He claimed the mail had been intercepted, someone had ripped open the parcel in transit and stolen the documents, and that the courier firm had even shown them pictures of the ripped-open package. He then made a series of remarkably precise claims about their interaction with the courier, the search the courier fir…

and today the package has been found and Tucker is on air saying, "you know what? maybe we should lay off Hunter. After all, he's a troubled man."

What's more likely: that Tucker is full of shit and never had the kind of story he claims he did, or that a network of win-at-any-cost leftists have infiltrated the UPS and were lying in wait to kill this story and any others like in before the election?

The lengths people will go to find a conspiracy when there's a simpler explanation will always baffle me

Re: My Resignation from the Intercept

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Post by rodgerd »

dqv wrote: post #611
rodgerd wrote: post #526

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Greenwald has also been a prominent supporter of a 19 year old rapist running for office, which doesn't help claims to be a credible journalist.

It's probably a good idea to cite your sources at least.

People who claim to be familiar with Greenwald should know about his partisan commitment to Aaron Coleman.
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