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Re: Ruth Bader Ginsburg has died

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Post by edbob »

jagger27 wrote: post #529
edbob wrote: post #497

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> mass hysterectomies in ICE camps All I found was two allegations against a single doctor. That's horrible if true, but it seems like a typical case of medical malpractice that has nothing whatsoever to do with the administration.

Perhaps it was a single rogue doctor, though I wouldn't use "typical malpractice" to describe such a heinous act. What I do see is this: orders coming right from the top on specific detention policy.[1] They were willing to do child separation in the innocent days of 2018, and they got away with it. What is stopping these same people from getting bolder with their ideas and orders? 1: https://www.nbcnews.com/politics…

> What is stopping these same people from getting bolder with their ideas and orders?

The law? Your complaint is about the administration overzealously enforcing existing laws. How does that lead you to believe that they would begin completely ignoring the law?

According to your source, "child separation" was an incidental effect of prosecuting illegal immigrants for crimes. When I was prosecuted, I was also detained and separated from my family. It was unpleasant to say the least, but it was fair. I don't see why illegal immigrants should be given preferential treatment. Crime has consequences.

Re: Ruth Bader Ginsburg has died

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Post by Chris2048 »

JeremyBanks wrote: post #861
koolba wrote: post #845

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It’s talk like this that truly disgusts me. And it only comes from the left. Anyone in a position of power that effectively promotes opposing views is labeled as pure evil. The more effective, the more evil. Just because your side is losing does not mean the other side is working for Satan. It’s talk like that that leads to violence.

You have a point in abstract, but in this case your argument is nonsense. The president is repeatedly openly advocating for violence, and he's getting it. His party is supporting him, and refusing to enforce some of the longest-standing laws in the country. That is what leads to violence, and calling it anything but evil would be a lie.

> openly advocating for violence

violence, or counter-violence?

The people burning down buildings in Kenosha aren't taking orders from Trump.

Re: Ruth Bader Ginsburg has died

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Post by refurb »

evan_ wrote: post #784
refurb wrote: post #568

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Why is this downvoted? Harry Reid literally eliminated the ability of the minority party to filibuster a presidential nominee.[1] So the Democrats are basically complaining that they can't stop a Trump nomination, but only because they changed the rules themselves. [1] https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/nov/21/harry-reid-sen...

You can’t possibly argue in good faith that the republicans would not have changed it anyway.

OF course not. It's just ironic the Democrats themselves eliminated a rule that could have helped them now.

Re: Ruth Bader Ginsburg has died

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Post by jariel »

Trasmatta wrote: post #966
jariel wrote: post #409

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Widespread conflict will get Trump elected, this is already proving the case as people see 'violence' instead of 'protesting' Trump is getting momentum. Don Lemon on CNN literally asking for people to calm down due to this fact. Edit: Trump's support grew consistently as public support for BLM waned in face of the 'perception of violence' [1] - which Trump's team sees and is why he's pushing a 'law and order' message…

> this is already proving the case Except it doesn't seem like the violence and rioting so far has actually helped Trump: https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/trumps-law-and-order-me...

Your reference doesn't support your point.

Trump's 'Law and Justice' messaging may not be helping, but his approval ratings have improved as the protests have continued and none of the data in the article diminishes that.

It doesn't surprise me that many people support Biden as the mostly likely to 'quell tensions' etc. - however - that's not the same thing as the instinctive response to seeing widespread violence on TV.

Listen to Lemon [1]:

"“It’s showing up in the polling. It’s showing up in focus groups. It is the only thing right now that is sticking,” Lemon said ahead of "CNN Tonight" on Tuesday. “The riots and the protests have become indistinguishable."

This I believe.

More directly from Nate Silver here [2] where he is unsure there is a correlation, but since that article, the meme has continued and Trump has drifted up for no other apparent reason along the same trend line.

I don't like the man, the 'trend' is not good. Just a few weeks ago it looked like this would be over, now, there are many paths for him to come to win.

A showdown over Ginsberg replacement may be the decisive battle.

[1] https://thehill.com/homenews/media/513742-cnns-lemon-warns-o...

[2] https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/could-a-backlash-agains...

Re: Ruth Bader Ginsburg has died

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Post by dang »

emmelaich wrote: post #630

Only after reading about this did I realise that RBG was Catholic. There would have been a lot of familiarity of thought and philosophy in their backgrounds. In some part, it makes it easier to disagree. Some of the arguments have been going on for centuries.

We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24523014.

Re: Ruth Bader Ginsburg has died

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Post by dang »

elbigbad wrote: post #592

This won’t happen. I’m a reasonable person and happy to change my mind with evidence, and don’t say this lightly, but the republicans do not give a crud about any of this. They are the most conniving and soulless individuals that exist. This is coming from a recent former republican. I miss George Will’s Republican party.

We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24523984.

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Post by tha0x4 »

ck2 wrote: post #672
stickyricky wrote: post #37

I think reading about Ruth and Antonin Scalia's friendship was the most wholesome political reading I've ever done. Hearing people divided in opinion, but not bitterly so, working together to figure out the best framework to construct American society from was inspirational. I hope the two halves of the political world can become friends in the way they were. Rest in peace Ruth. I hope if there's an after you and Ant…

inspirational? it was her greatest weakness, there was not any other single judge working harder against her I'm not going for the nazi reference, he wasn't that evil but Scalia was literally trying to drag the United States back to the 1950s if not even further, decision after decision he never found an expanding right he didn't want to slaughter

Please seek help. This mentality is based in neuroticism and is unhealthy for you and those you interact with.

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Post by rrrrrrrrrrrryan »

vinay427 wrote: post #945
chillwaves wrote: post #925

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3 will be allowed to defect and Pence will be the tie breaking vote. All of this is coordinated, all of this is staged.

Do you have a source for such a direct claim?

It's just how these things work. A few senators are allowed to defect and make a hoopla, but nobody wants to be the final defector that changes the actual outcome, because his or her political career would be over.

McCain famously did it during his last vote, because he knew he was going to die shortly thereafter.

Re: Ruth Bader Ginsburg has died

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Post by bargl »

smnrchrds wrote: post #762
bargl wrote: post #460

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I would assume also because people also just didn't live as long back then. Life was in general a 20 year term. Average life span in 1800 of 50 years. Today it's 78.6. https://clickamericana.com/topics/health-medicine/us-life-ex... https://www.everydayhealth.com/senior-health/what-life-expec... Those probably aren't the best places for me to get numbers, but I think they're good enough for a rough example of what I m…

Life expectancy at birth was low because many people died in childhood, bringing down the average. Those who survived childhood lived much longer lives. I used the historical list of US Supreme Court justices [0] and averaged the lifespan of the first 20 justices. The average was 67 years. Maximum was 91 [1]. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_justices_of_the_Suprem... [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gabriel…

I knew of this happening, but I wasn't sure to what extent it did not know it was that drastic.
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