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Re: The majority of 18- to 29-year-olds in the US are now living with their parents

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Post by hosh » Wed, Sep 23, 2020, 6:24 PM UTC

alfiedotwtf wrote: post #969

hosh wrote: post #921

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> A granny flat or mother-in-law suite would be cheating. It's a separate apartment. Your parents are your neighbors not your room-mates anymore. That's correct. It gives some semblance of independence. My point with that one is that even if US residents were inclined to "cheat", current zoning laws in most municipalities makes building additions, or expanding to duplexes and triplexes illegal. Other things like, req…

> It was understood that the main purpose of education was not to create factory workers, but to have critically-thinking and informed citizens in a republic Lol. Read Wealth of Nations by Adam Smith... having children was for the purpose of making you rich! Also, that’s if you even made it to the age of 14. In 1870, survival rate of reaching to the age of 14 was about 30%

Are you saying that Adam Smith's writings was representitive of the views espoused by all the American framers and philosophers of that era?

How does the survival rate of someone who has reached the age of 14 have an effect on literacy and citizenship?

Re: The majority of 18- to 29-year-olds in the US are now living with their parents

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Post by alfiedotwtf » Thu, Sep 24, 2020, 12:41 AM UTC

hosh wrote: post #971

alfiedotwtf wrote: post #969

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> It was understood that the main purpose of education was not to create factory workers, but to have critically-thinking and informed citizens in a republic Lol. Read Wealth of Nations by Adam Smith... having children was for the purpose of making you rich! Also, that’s if you even made it to the age of 14. In 1870, survival rate of reaching to the age of 14 was about 30%

Are you saying that Adam Smith's writings was representitive of the views espoused by all the American framers and philosophers of that era? How does the survival rate of someone who has reached the age of 14 have an effect on literacy and citizenship?

Here's your original point:

> It was understood that the main purpose of education was not to create factory workers, but to have critically-thinking and informed citizens in a republic

Are you saying the seminal book in economics documenting at the time of the Declaration of Independence that having children in the Western world was to help you get rich (opposite was going on in China) was incorrect?

> How does the survival rate of someone who has reached the age of 14 have an effect on literacy and citizenship?

It doesn't, but when your literal survival is against the odds and you're task every day is to maintain sustenance, I'm not sure your comment about a whopping 99% rate literacy hold water.

Re: The majority of 18- to 29-year-olds in the US are now living with their parents

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Post by hosh » Thu, Sep 24, 2020, 4:23 AM UTC

alfiedotwtf wrote: post #972

hosh wrote: post #971

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you saying that Adam Smith's writings was representitive of the views espoused by all the American framers and philosophers of that era? How does the survival rate of someone who has reached the age of 14 have an effect on literacy and citizenship?

Here's your original point: > It was understood that the main purpose of education was not to create factory workers, but to have critically-thinking and informed citizens in a republic Are you saying the seminal book in economics documenting at the time of the Declaration of Independence that having children in the Western world was to help you get rich (opposite was going on in China) was incorrect? > How does the…

> Are you saying the seminal book in economics documenting at the time of the Declaration of Independence that having children in the Western world was to help you get rich (opposite was going on in China) was incorrect?

Leaving aside whether I agreed with that point about children being there to make you rich (I don't), or whether everyone in America agreed with that (I doubt it), and we're just looking at the various colonists (excluding the Natives) making up the 13 colonies at the time of the Declaration of Independence, I don't know if that would be considered the seminal book to the point that it influenced how education is viewed. I see (at least according to Wikipedia), it had influenced Alexander Hamilton, but I also think Hamilton in many ways was ahead of his time. It is my understanding though, that those ideas become much more commonplace in the mid- and late 19th century.

> ... when your literal survival is against the odds and you're task every day is to maintain sustenance, I'm not sure your comment about a whopping 99% rate literacy hold water.

So I am to understand that you are saying, because conditions are so harsh, there is very little time to do things like studying or reading?

A curious thing happened in the Midwest in the early 1800s. Land was divided in a way where schools and colleges were deliberately set aside so that children would have access to it. For every N plots of land, there would be a school; for every M plots of land, there would be a college. I don't think any other region of the US was divided like this. The educated farmer, at least in the Midwest, is a thing.

That bit came from an article by someone observing that the Midwest seems prototypically boring, without characteristic. They were trying to explore just what makes the Midwest the "Midwest". The essay was not written as a criticism of the education system.

Re: The majority of 18- to 29-year-olds in the US are now living with their parents

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Post by MuffinFlavored » Fri, Sep 25, 2020, 7:14 PM UTC

e-dard wrote: post #767

MuffinFlavored wrote: post #743

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> I'm a 90th percentile earner. Will 95+ percentile earner in a few years time. How much is that in the UK?

90th percentile is about £47K, 95th percentile is about £60K. Assuming gross income.

As of 2019

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US 90th percentile: $184k (£144.3k)

US 95th percentile: $248k (£194.6k)

kind of a silly thing to say you are a 95th percentile British earner when that puts you in the 25-50th percentile in America.