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Apple to kill Epic’s accounts on Friday the 28th

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Re: Apple to kill Epic’s accounts on Friday the 28th

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Post by zamalek »

musicale wrote: post #966
zamalek wrote: post #625

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This seems way beyond the "hyper-competitive" excuse (that I didn't buy in the first place). Claiming control of the store is one thing, but they have locked Epic out of the platform entirely. This is shameless anticompetitive behavior.

Can you confirm that it is no longer possible to install or run unsigned binaries on macOS, even if you enable it in System Preferences? Or has that setting been removed?

It is possible, but it is becoming progressively more difficult.

Re: Apple to kill Epic’s accounts on Friday the 28th

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Post by LdSGSgvupDV »

kabes wrote: post #914
neop1x wrote: post #860

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By editing 3 places in Regedit manually because disabling Update Medic in Services says "access is denied" despite being an admin account. Yes, you totally can. https://stackoverflow.com/questions/59077619/how-to-disable-...

That's to disable the services, which is not what this is about. You don't need to do any of that to stop updates/update checks.

Uh... How? In my memory, different version of windows needs different approach to disable windows update. Although you manually disabled updating it would somehow turned on by other process/service/reboot... And, it might not be able to apply to next version. Like a Tag game.

Some of versions does not have ability to stop updating (maybe current version of Windows 10 Home?).

Re: Apple to kill Epic’s accounts on Friday the 28th

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Post by ceejayoz »

userbinator wrote: post #653
lenkite wrote: post #446

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Safety over Liberty - the motto of the world today. Kneel before the master!

I wonder what Franklin would think if he was alive today...

Probably something along the lines of "I said essential liberty for temporary safety, you nitwits."

https://www.npr.org/2015/03/02/390245038/ben-franklins-famou...

Re: Apple to kill Epic’s accounts on Friday the 28th

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Post by marcan_42 »

belorn wrote: post #939
marcan_42 wrote: post #925

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Do you have any case history supporting this interpretation of copyright law? While it is true that copyright protects the right to create derivative works, that is, in practice, usually applied to creating such derivative works and distributing them . Otherwise, scribbling with a pen on a book you bought would be a copyright violation. Similarly, while technically running a program requires copying it into memory (a…

Scribbling with a pen on a book you bought would be a copyright violation if it would qualify under the definition of recasting, transforming or adapting the book. It must be substantial and original. A full translation, scribbled on the side, would be a pretty obvious violation regardless if you made further copies. Similar if you bought the movie rights to distribute you still need additional permissions to add tra…

In the broadcasting case, obviously broadcasting/distribution was involved, which is not the case here. Do you have any examples where someone making a private modification to a copyrighted work without distribution was legally liable for it after it was discovered?

The AGPL attempts to control any changes made to the code, not just, say, a substantial refactoring or reworking. So in principle a one-line patch is sufficient to trigger AGPL clause 13.

Re: Apple to kill Epic’s accounts on Friday the 28th

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Post by marcan_42 »

kazinator wrote: post #945
jordigh wrote: post #944

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You are free to run our hypotheticlly AGPLed nginx for whatever purpose you want. You can serve a military website or an online shop from our hypothetically AGPLed nginx. There are no limitations on usage. You are the user as long as you are operating and using nginx. Once you serve to other users, though, they also become users of nginx. In this regard, you have an upstream/downstream relationship between you and th…

> This isn't taking any rights away from you -- indeed, the AGPL is only granting you rights. Note that a shrink-wrap end-user license agreement from Adobe also doesn't take away your rights; it only grants you rights. At least, according to copyright rhetoric.

This is not correct. Those agreements are based on the idea that your license to use the copyrighted software is predicated on accepting a large number of conditions outside of copyright.

Merely receiving a license-free piece of software (i.e. "all rights reserved") with no strings attached gives you a certain set of default rights (i.e. anything not in violation of copyright), such as to run it for any purpose. EULAs like a shrink-wrap agreement from Adobe, or the AGPL, then attempt to remove some of those rights.

Though, sure, you can look at it from the point of view that in the absence of a license at all, nobody would've been able to distribute the software to you in the first place, and therefore you'd have had no rights as a result.

Re: Apple to kill Epic’s accounts on Friday the 28th

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Post by [deleted] »

jmull wrote: post #916
kalleboo wrote: post #872

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Epic added the violating payment system to the app in an update internal to the app (not through app store review). Doing an end-run around review is what gets you terminated. Amazon, Netflix etc submitted their payment systems to app review and got those updates rejected, which Apple is fine with.

OK, but does that have something to do with my comment or the comment I replied to?

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Re: Apple to kill Epic’s accounts on Friday the 28th

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Post by [deleted] »

jmull wrote: post #916
kalleboo wrote: post #872

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Epic added the violating payment system to the app in an update internal to the app (not through app store review). Doing an end-run around review is what gets you terminated. Amazon, Netflix etc submitted their payment systems to app review and got those updates rejected, which Apple is fine with.

OK, but does that have something to do with my comment or the comment I replied to?

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Re: Apple to kill Epic’s accounts on Friday the 28th

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Post by kalleboo »

danudey wrote: post #957
saagarjha wrote: post #886

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You can’t use Apple’s developer tools, period.

You absolutely can use Apple's developer tools without a developer account, and you absolutely can build and run code on a device without a developer account. I'm not sure why Epic claimed otherwise (other than that losing their developer account makes it far more inconvenient ), but it's really just fearmongering to try to get the public on their side.

Apple told Epic they will lose access to "all Apple developer tools" https://twitter.com/stroughtonsmith/status/12954667012204666...

Re: Apple to kill Epic’s accounts on Friday the 28th

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Post by boring_twenties »

m4rtink wrote: post #630
heavyset_go wrote: post #536

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Google is abusing their market position as well, because they purposely hinder third party app stores by putting restrictions in Android that prevent them from implementing features that the Play Store has had for years.

A simple litmus test: Is F-Droid in Google Play ? It is not.

Not only is it not in Google Play, but it can't update apps in the background the way Google can.

For every update, times every app you have to click through a stupid screen "Are you sure you want to install this update? It requires no special permissions."

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