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16-inch MacBook Pro
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Re: 16-inch MacBook Pro
#972Earlier quoted context omitted.
> the lack of a physical Escape key C-[ is the same thing in Unix. I haven't tried it on a Mac though. But if you're using vim (mostly where I hear this complaint) use C-[ (actually just use it in vim anyways because who wants to lift their hand up to do such a common movement?)
I just map caps lock to escape, then i need even less finger movement.
I prefer mapping caps to Ctrl over escape because it leaves me with loads of other useful shortcuts in both the terminal and Vim.
e.g. Ctrl-o to pop out of insert mode for 1 command only.
or
ctrl-w: delete the last word.
ctrl-u: delete to the beginning of the line.
ctrl-d or ctrl-t: change indent level.
ctrl-h: backspace without leaving the home row.
ctrl-m: without leaving the home row.
Re: 16-inch MacBook Pro
#973Too little too late. By now, Apple has lost me. The only Apple HW I might (theoretically) still buy is a Mac Pro, but not in practice, since you can't get it with a 32-bit capable OS any more. So fuck Apple. I'll have to get Windoze hardware and put a BSD Unix on it.
Re: 16-inch MacBook Pro
#974I'm still using the last Macbook Pro without a touchbar, and plan on not upgrading until either this dies, or Apple decide to make a laptop with a full keyboard. If it dies before that, it's Hackintosh or Linux time. It honestly astounds me that the device that has traditionally been adopted most by developers has lost so much of what developers need in favour of gimmicks.
As a developer I rarely use the function keys, I only need it for debugging purposes. I much prefer ergonmic keyboards, so I rarely use the one on my laptops. But whether it's Windows/Linux/MacOS I rarely require the function keys. As a mechanical keyboard enthusiast I have them in a different layer for the rare occasion that I actually "need" them. I have far less gripe with having my mousehand of the keyboard when debugging than I do when typing regularly.
You can easily use a tool like https://pqrs.org/osx/karabiner/ or `brew cask install karabiner-elements` to remap fn + number keyrow to be the function keys.
Offtopic: Typing this on a Redox Wireless keyboard, it's great for developing on. It's a split ergonomic columnly staggered ortholinear keyboard, the [] keys are in the middle of the split parts. And you have thumb clusters.
Re: 16-inch MacBook Pro
#975I'm astonished and pleased to see they walked back the two worst things about the original Touch Bar MBPs - the lack of a physical Escape key, and the full-size left and right arrow keys. The lack of physical function keys remains regrettable, and the Touch Bar is still no worthy substitute, but perhaps this is a sign that Apple is finally interested in listening to feedback from its long-term customer base, even if…
why you consider full size left and right arrow bad?
Re: 16-inch MacBook Pro
#976I don't get it why they remove the full size left and right arrow key?
Re: 16-inch MacBook Pro
#977Earlier quoted context omitted.
The escape key will be especially welcome by me, as I found the touchbar exceptionally hard to deal with, and I would often have to hit it three or four times to get vim to exit insert mode. I actually didn't have much trouble with the arrow keys, despite all the negative feedback I saw for them online. Hopefully this trend continues and they can iterate on this model even further.
I remapped caps lock to escape and it's been wonderful. The oversized caps lock key on keyboards is an inexplicably bad UI choice anyway.
obligatory xkcd - https://xkcd.com/1172/
Re: 16-inch MacBook Pro
#978Don't forget that the Touch Bar costs an additional $400 for consumers. The 2015 model was the best MacBook Pro. Perhaps the best laptop yet.
It always seemed backwards that the touch bar is a pro feature. Aren't pros the group that learn all the keyboard commands? The touch bar seems like it would be most useful to non-pro users.
The new air pods are called Air Pod Pro. What does pro mean in this context?
Re: 16-inch MacBook Pro
#979I'm astonished and pleased to see they walked back the two worst things about the original Touch Bar MBPs - the lack of a physical Escape key, and the full-size left and right arrow keys. The lack of physical function keys remains regrettable, and the Touch Bar is still no worthy substitute, but perhaps this is a sign that Apple is finally interested in listening to feedback from its long-term customer base, even if…
I must be missing something out, but what's wrong with left and right arrow keys? I have 2018 15'' mbp and they are just fine. Or you mean up and down arrows?
Re: 16-inch MacBook Pro
#980good thing that john ivey has left apple.. this is a good direction change.