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Re: Apple introduces 8-core MacBook Pro

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mgkimsal wrote: post #735
docker_up wrote: post #176

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I recently was forced to upgrade by 2015 laptop at work because the battery life was finally short enough that I couldn't stand it. I hate dongles. The 2015 Macbook will stand as their last best laptop. Nothing about the 2018 laptop is better, it's only worse. I don't understand why they don't see this. There should really be a huge multi-billion dollar class action lawsuit for their keyboards and fixability to wake…

Just spent $200 on new battery and install for my 2015 MBP. I wish I'd opted for the 1t model vs 512g drive, but was getting refurb and at the time they had no 1t left - wasn't sure they'd have any more (friend of mine snagged one a few weeks later!)

> I wish I'd opted for the 1t model vs 512g drive

Hi there. You can buy a sintech adapter on amazon that will let you put a standard NVME SSD into a macbook air/retina 2013-2015 model (and maybe some others).

It costs about $20.

With that, you can choose some of the cheap, new, fast, 2TB disks and get a massive improvement in speed and storage capacity for relatively little money. Google around; there are some recommended drives.

From what I've read the 'long' version of the sintech is the best one to buy. The upgrade process is on ifixit; it's super easy. You will also need a torx screwdriver; again you can buy a 'mac fixing kit' for $5-10 on amazon etc.

Re: Apple introduces 8-core MacBook Pro

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Post by random_comment »

apl002 wrote: post #621
golfer wrote: post #261

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100% agree. I'm typing this on a 2015 Macbook Pro, and holding on for dear life, even as it has started alerting me about servicing the battery. It's a great machine. I tried using the touchbar on my son's newer MBP. It's awful, and not meant for serious use. His laptop has been replaced once already due to keyboard issue, and starting to show defects again.

Ha! I literally typed out another comment about how I to refuse to leave my 2015 macbook pro for a newer model. The new keyboard, touchbar and usb-c everywhere is so lame

if you need to 'upgrade' there's a sintech adapter that will let you put a MUCH bigger and faster ssd in there.

Re: Apple introduces 8-core MacBook Pro

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Post by random_comment »

mbesto wrote: post #689
golfer wrote: post #261

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100% agree. I'm typing this on a 2015 Macbook Pro, and holding on for dear life, even as it has started alerting me about servicing the battery. It's a great machine. I tried using the touchbar on my son's newer MBP. It's awful, and not meant for serious use. His laptop has been replaced once already due to keyboard issue, and starting to show defects again.

Holding on to my 2015 MBPro for dear life as well.

protip: get a sintech adapter and stick a big fast nvme disk in there. another 1-2 years before you need a new computer.

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Post by bscphil »

usaphp wrote: post #775
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Why do you say that? Isn't that entirely a personal preference thing? I have preferred any good non-Apple touchpad I have tried to Apple's. (To be fair, 90% of laptops sold ship with cheap, terrible touchpads.) The touchpad on my Dell XPS is a good example; zero finger friction, physical left/right buttons at the bottom of the touchpad, and perfect sensitivity / detection of tap to click and two finger scroll. The dr…

After I got the haptic touch trackpad, I can’t go back to physical buttons. Ability to click anywhere on a trackpad with a click like feedback is one of the best things Apple ever did.

Maybe if they reduced the force required to click the button by about 75% I could get used to it. It's so hard to push from my normal typing position that I feel like I have to use leverage from my arm instead of just a finger. Plus it's not comfortable to click and drag when you have to continually push down - I'd still want tap to click available even if they improved it.

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Post by Sangeppato »

satysin wrote: post #938
spronkey wrote: post #925

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The attention on Apple really isn't unfair when you a) compare their 2016+ machines to their 2015 ones, and b) dig a little deeper into some of the design flaws of the machines beyond the keyboard. For example: * The trackpad on 2016+ models is too large for many users who experience palm rejection issues. * The display cable on 2016 and 2017 machines was too short, and is now starting to cause the issue known as "fl…

> Apple made far better computers in 2015. The competition also being shit doesn't excuse Apple's regressions. Totally agree with you there. My opinion on it being "unfair" on Apple is more to do with the fact that such things are not unique to Apple yet they are the only ones who get pulled up in the tech and even media. I had two Surface devices from Microsoft; a Surface Book 2 and a Surface Laptop and both were pi…

This is EXACTLY what I think. While I hate the lack of reliability in the latest macbooks, I would say that the other manufacters are not doing anything better at all. The XPS 15 is full of issues and Dell doesn't even acknowledge them, the XPS 13 has basically everything soldered on apart from the SSD and the Thinkpad is going that way as well (just look at the latest X1 carbon and T490s). The Surface devices are just as expensive as the macbooks and just as impossible to repair. I won't even consider Asus/Acer because in my opinion they simply put junk conponents (with junk drivers) in their products and they're not reliable at all, even in the high price range. What's funny is that if you actually look at the thermal behaviour of thin and light laptops (go on notebookcheck.com), you'll notice that the MBP 15 is one of the best when compared to the XPS 15, X1 Extreme, Zenbook 15 Pro, etc., And yet everyone only complains about the mac. (Furthermore, I still find macOS superior to Windows 10, even if I'm a long time Windows user, but that's about personal tastes.) Personally, I've just stoppped listening to journalists, youtubers or whatever, I just read the reviews and look at the graphs on notebookcheck.com and search for potential issues on reddit/other speficis forums.

Re: Apple introduces 8-core MacBook Pro

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Post by ralphc »

I'm on a Mid 2012 MacBook Pro, i7, 16GB of RAM, it does the job for most of my development. My problem is, not development work, but my dependence on the MacOS ecosystem over the past 13 years. Music & iPhone in iTunes, Photos app etc. I can do Java, Python, Node on a PC with Linux but I still need some kind of Mac. What do all the Mac apostates do about that?

Re: Apple introduces 8-core MacBook Pro

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Post by everyone »

copperx wrote: post #866
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In what way is MacOS best for working with sound? The industry has long ago moved on to Windows.

Logic is superior in many ways to other DAWs. There are some hardcore Logic users out there.

I wouldnt say superior, Logic, Ableton, Reason, Cubase etc. They're all different, they all have their own strengths and weaknesses. Eg. Ableton has pretty crappy midi sequencing capabilities whereas Reason has probably the best. They all fit different use cases.

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Post by spronkey »

satysin wrote: post #938
spronkey wrote: post #925

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The attention on Apple really isn't unfair when you a) compare their 2016+ machines to their 2015 ones, and b) dig a little deeper into some of the design flaws of the machines beyond the keyboard. For example: * The trackpad on 2016+ models is too large for many users who experience palm rejection issues. * The display cable on 2016 and 2017 machines was too short, and is now starting to cause the issue known as "fl…

> Apple made far better computers in 2015. The competition also being shit doesn't excuse Apple's regressions. Totally agree with you there. My opinion on it being "unfair" on Apple is more to do with the fact that such things are not unique to Apple yet they are the only ones who get pulled up in the tech and even media. I had two Surface devices from Microsoft; a Surface Book 2 and a Surface Laptop and both were pi…

I generally agree.

I've also defended Apple a lot in the past for usually "getting most things right" where other manufacturers just don't. And you're right, they deserve to be cut down for stupid solved-problems-a-decade-ago like coil whine and rattling fans.

My viewpoint comes from expecting better from Apple because they've been better in the past, and only have a small number of SKUs to deal with. 2006-2012 saw Apple introduce new generations that solved problems and almost unilaterally improved upon their predecessors. They made a few hiccups (such as 2008's glass displays), and 2009's non-removable batteries, but they were reasonable well-thought compromises. Apart from serviceability, the 2012-2015 Retina era did the same.

On the other hand, Dell/Lenovo/HP etc vomit product lines all over the place and have done for as long as I can remember. Seldom do they keep the same basic chassis for more than 2 releases, and even when they do they don't seem to learn lessons and iterate to improve.

In saying that, comparing 2019 XPS, Latitude, Inspiron, and ThinkPads to their 2012 counterparts show marked improvement in many aspects, and few regressions. I guess that's a sorry indictment of PC notebooks at the start of the decade more than anything else...

I guess you could call that unfair on Apple, but then you look at the price they ask for their machines and quickly forget about fairness...

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Post by spronkey »

TMWNN wrote: post #969
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I never really liked the 500 series - I preferred the 1400 (I know, weirdo). The Intel MacBooks have had their moments (glass trackpads, SD card readers, quad core in the 2011 15"), but almost all of them had design defects of some kind: * Original white and black MacBooks had sharp edges and cracking wrist rests * 2nd Gen MBP had 8600GT chip death issues * First Unibody MB/MBP had glossy screen not suitable for indo…

>* First Unibody MB/MBP had glossy screen not suitable for indoor lighting This didn't affect me (and it didn't change until Retina, I think), but EM209 " rel="nofollow">https://randyzwitch.com/broken-macbook-pro-hinge-fixed-free/... hit me twice, the second time not covered by Apple.

Oh the glued hinge right behind the hot air vent is hilarious. I forgot about that one.

Yes, glossy screen had an anti-reflection coating added for Retina models that then proceeded into staingate. To make matters worse they took away the matte anti-glare option entirely because they thought their new compromise was best. Yelp.

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Post by Zephyreks »

jonaf wrote: post #384
ericabiz wrote: post #51

We repair these as part of our business, and to be clear, both the keyboards and the screens are failing on these at an alarming rate. iFixit detailed the issues with the screens, which (in Apple's unending quest for "thinness") use a thinner flex cable to connect the display to the rest of the laptop. This thinner cable is prone to breakage, and we are already seeing 2016-2017 MacBook Pros in our shop regularly for…

Thanks, this makes me feel better about my decision a couple months ago to switch to Lenovo's ThinkPad P1 Mobile Workstation. I don't have any regrets switching from Apple hardware, and frankly Linux is so much more superior (especially when using i3[0]), I'm quite pleased with it. (The only complaint I have with the ThinkPad is the fan is super aggressive and very loud. It usually doesn't run for long, but it spins…

You can configure that on windows using tpfancontrol. Should be similar on Linux. Tweak the fan curve to whatever the hell you want.

You can even turn the fan higher than Lenovo lets it (but it might fuck your fan over... Oops)

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