European Commission fines Google €4.34B in Android antitrust case • Hacker News Board

Re: European Commission fines Google €4.34B in Android antitrust case

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Post by AnthonyMouse » Tue, Jul 24, 2018, 12:26 AM UTC

Brockenstein wrote: post #954

AnthonyMouse wrote: post #895

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> the fine has been calculated on the basis of the value of Google's revenue from search advertising services on Android devices in the EEA. "They have a lot of money and we would like to have that." The actual "damages" have nothing to do with their total revenue, only the revenue incident to the behavior in question, which is an independent value and not a percentage of total revenue. For example, if they improve t…

Well you're making some assumptions about damages and maybe have opinions what constitutes damages. I think the other side you have to consider is if revenue related to wrong doing is in the billions and your fine is in the thousands, it's toothless. Companies will gladly pay a pittance in fines over and over again against billions in revenue. That's not ideal from and enforcement standpoint. It doesn't get companies…

> I think the other side you have to consider is if revenue related to wrong doing is in the billions and your fine is in the thousands, it's toothless.

If the revenue related to wrong doing is in the billions and the harm is in the thousands, attempting to prohibit the conduct instead of imposing a small tax and using the money to compensate the victims is obviously a large dead-weight economic loss.

Re: European Commission fines Google €4.34B in Android antitrust case

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Post by lele0108 » Tue, Jul 24, 2018, 8:57 PM UTC

davb wrote: post #239

theBobBob wrote: post #103

Very slightly off topic but I actually think how Android handles default apps is the best of both worlds. It comes with very very good default Google Apps that work well together but it is very easy to switch out whatever you want for an alternative. How iOS handles it is the opposite. For their default apps they either straight out not allow competitors, severely limit what their competitors or (if I remember correc…

I've noticed that on iOS, Google can be quite pushy with regards to their apps. No matter how many times I click "don't ask me again", Hangouts always asks if I want to install Chrome whenever I try to open a web link (in Safari). And I get constant nags on Gmail web to install Gmail on my iPhone to "get the full experience" (as opposed to using the bundled iOS Mail app).

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Re: European Commission fines Google €4.34B in Android antitrust case

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Post by ktosobcy » Wed, Jul 25, 2018, 11:07 AM UTC

mattigames wrote: post #647

ktosobcy wrote: post #587

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Which would allow google to gain dominance in the mobile market... NOT. Google/Android won because it was very open and flexible, but the moment they started to dominate they started to push their agenda on OEMs users…

Yeah, Samsumg should have created their own OS, I'm sure that would have played really well for both companies... NOT.

They tried, but then Google had "free OS" that "everyone used" so it was almost impossible to make a dent in the google-verse. And now when they killed virtually any competition they are pushing their agent.

Recently KaiOS was gaining traction and what did google? Virtually bought their presence/dominance there… sorry "supported project".

Re: European Commission fines Google €4.34B in Android antitrust case

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Post by omnimus » Fri, Jul 27, 2018, 6:12 AM UTC

genericid wrote: post #931

omnimus wrote: post #925

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People use windows for the GUI/experience. If manufacturers started to use nongoogle version of android the GUI/experience would not change much. Also many people buy windows license separate from their device. Google surely does not want situation where people buy google services license... they want mass adoption for data collection. If google starts to charge for android then i am sure there will be manufactures s…

People use Windows to run Windows applications. They use Android to run Android applications. Whether they would use it for the GUI and experience or not is secondary, they don't have much of a choice anyway. If an OS cannot run Android applications -- and AOSP cannot do that since many applications rely on the proprietary Play Services -- it is not Android. That Android would be free if you replaced the non-free par…

This is good point. But there is possibility of not running play services. And i dont only mean lineagelineageos without play services and apps from fdroid. I am sure Amazon or Microsoft would hop in to provide competitive google alternative. I mean amazon already has android store and if microG can do it - they can do it.

Re: European Commission fines Google €4.34B in Android antitrust case

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Post by jhasse » Fri, Jul 27, 2018, 7:33 AM UTC

esrauch wrote: post #641

jhasse wrote: post #492

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> They are clearly related as a suite of applications which form the core experience of what is called “Android”. I'm using Android every day and never once opened Chrome (instead I'm using the Lightning browser) or used the Google app to search (I'm just searching directly in my browser). So IMHO that's definitely NOT the core experience of Android, while the Play Store is.

I've never gone into the Bluetooth settings on my phone, that doesnt mean it's abusive that it was already there on my phone when I bought it.

OEMs can change the Bluetooth settings though.