This is definitely sparking the Streisand Effect now. I had never heard of this site before, and having their domain dumped by three major tech companies in a row has plastered it all over my news bubble.
Why We Terminated Daily Stormer
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#972Earlier quoted context omitted.
If you are referring to "sticks and stones may break my bones, but words will never break me", clearly you have other problems with sympathy and empathy. Free speech does not protect dangerous speech.
The problem is who defines "dangerous speech"? Dr. King himself was labeled as "the most dangerous Negro of the future in this Nation from the standpoint of communism, the Negro and national security"
The Supreme Court defines 'dangerous speech'. Very specifically in fact. The First Amendment is one of the most well defined of the Amendments and has tons of legal decisions surrounding it.
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#973Earlier quoted context omitted.
Can you expound on what you see as the differences?
Their right: are they prevented from speaking, and using whatever resources they have to write. Their ability: do they have the tools they would like to have (and that others might own) to communicate effectively.
When governments ban printing presses, which I think actually has happened in the past in Europe, would you consider that preventing people's right to free speech? I would. The difference here is it isn't necessarily governments, but rather corporations that control access to the internet (printing press).
I think in the printing press example, people ended up stealing them to print. I'm not sure you can steal the internet.
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#974React driven should be confined to js frameworks not human interactions. This is a slippery slope but the ppl have already spoken. Sadly, we go forward in this half-cocked manner. It's hard to confront the underlying sources of this angst and that's our dilemma.
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#975We take down Al Qaeda terrorist websites all the time because they can be used to radicalize people. Nazis are no different. They are calling for the systematic violent overthrow of the US government and for the extermination of many millions of so called undesirables. This is a terrorist threat. I take this threat very seriously as do many people in the Jewish, Hispanic, and African American community. There are lit…
This comment perfectly illustrates the need for free spreech absolutism.
First, it's just about denying speech to Nazis. Then, everyone who "argues to the contrary" is also a Nazi, and presumably doesn't deserve free speech either. And voila, when you want to deny speech to anyone in the future, you can shut down anyone defending them as well.
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#976Earlier quoted context omitted.
Cloudflare is pushing its pretend free speech PR too hard. But make no mistake, it's still just PR, no company like that actually cares about free speech.
That's a fallacy because "free speech" is not unlimited - every civilization recognizes its existence is the result of limiting specific freedoms in order to guarantee everyone other freedoms. Germany, among others, outlaw this kind of content because they experienced the end result first-hand. Perhaps the US should learn from them.
"Germany, among others, outlaw this kind of content because they experienced the end result first-hand."
so you are saying, that we germans ended up in a total dictatorship, because things were too liberal before?
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#977Earlier quoted context omitted.
But what's the end game? Do service providers have to morally support those who they provide service to? Because that's how things are looking. I wish we could just pretend these sites don't exist and stop giving them free publicity and advertisement. Trump is president because he's profitable to hate. Seems like we're repeating our mistakes. The only people who win by manufacturing outrage is the media.
> Do service providers have to morally support those who they provide service to? Because that's how things are looking. No, but there are obvious limits on what companies would like to be seen to be associating with. Cloudflare is a lot more lenient than most in this respect, but that got interpreted as 'there is no line they will not cross'. That assumption seems to not have borne fruit. I'm reminded of the 'Slashd…
> No, but there are obvious limits on what companies would like to be seen to be associating with.
This was a PR stunt. If anything CF should terminate the account and not publish the hate groups name to their blog (it's even embedded in the URL for SEO bonus points. WTF!!).
> Of course for the absolutists that once was the sign that the end was neigh, only that's not how it played out.
But that's exactly how it played out for Digg. Sometimes is pays to have a spine (sorry Kevin). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AACS_encryption_key_controvers...
As time goes on the more I'm convinced the media is the enemy of the public. What's good for the news is not good for the people. Division is profitable. Fear earns clicks. Hate generates inbound links.
If 10 years ago a group of 1000 rallied for a stupid cause I'd never even hear about it. Now it's front and center going viral. Since I choose not to fill my brain with this garbage I'm "willfully ignorant". Somehow I don't see it that way.
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#979Earlier quoted context omitted.
There are few things worse than nazis. Just make sure your content is better than fascist propaganda and you should be good.
How about ISIS? http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/anonymous-opisis-cloudflare-refuses...
What about ISIS are they citizens of the US?
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#980> We might agree on a few points but trying to clarify that the murder wasn't a terrorist attack, that it was just "unplanned murder with a vehicle", makes me want to re-examine my opinions on the points where we agree. Are we going to call every road rage incident (1200/year in the US) a terrorist attack now? Please. I'd encourage you to evaluate your agreement with each of my points on an individual basis; each ide…
Would you please stop? This subthread has gone way over the uncivil/unsubstantive line and you've been fuelling this in other places as well. We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15032418 and marked it off-topic.
I apologize. I wasn't aware I was being uncivil, nor was I attempting to troll or fuel an argument unproductively. I've signed out of my HN account.