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Time to Take a Stand

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Re: Time to Take a Stand

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Post by dang »

scrollaway wrote: post #952
hsod wrote: post #933

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Your comment is eerily reminiscent of this quote from MLK's Letter From Birmingham Jail: "I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro's great stumbling block in the stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen's Council-er or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate who is more devoted to "order" than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace…

And your comment is truly repulsive. I have been fighting this for a year, far better with plain discussion than anyone I've seen with sticks and this isn't even my country . Your implications are disgusting and the nicest way I can find to tell it to you is to stuff it. What I said in my comment (I'm guessing you were too busy looking for that quote instead of reading mine more carefully) is that focusing on holding…

This sort of incivility is not allowed here, as you know, regardless of how wrong someone is. Please stop posting to HN like this.

Re: Time to Take a Stand

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Post by dang »

hsod wrote: post #966
scrollaway wrote: post #952

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And your comment is truly repulsive. I have been fighting this for a year, far better with plain discussion than anyone I've seen with sticks and this isn't even my country . Your implications are disgusting and the nicest way I can find to tell it to you is to stuff it. What I said in my comment (I'm guessing you were too busy looking for that quote instead of reading mine more carefully) is that focusing on holding…

What you said is that we should seek order over justice. This elevates the oppressor to the same moral ground as the oppressed, and demotes the freedom fight to a petty political squabble with a "right" answer somewhere in the middle. Your comparison of me to Trump is ironically the pettiest thing in this thread.

Please don't vie for pettiness in HN comments. It's neither civil nor substantive.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: Time to Take a Stand

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Post by dinkumthinkum »

scrollaway wrote: post #329
467568985476 wrote: post #153

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This comment reeks of victim blaming. Nobody who voted for Trump and Pence should be allowed to escape being held accountable for what they support. If their "economic anxiety" was bad enough that they can ignore the rights of LGBT people and religious minorities, then they are all the more guilty. Those people were never centrists and knew exactly who they voted for.

You focus so much on holding people accountable rather than prevention. Lay off seeking justice for a while, try to seek order instead. Listen to why people voted Trump rather than call them all bigots and justify it with "they knew what they were getting into". As a european who truly despises Trump: This idea that you're too busy blaming people for being racist to spend time listening to them is honestly frightenin…

I understand you're view point but what is their to listen to? There are people that support republicans against their own interests, they are also amenable xenophobic rhetoric. They largely cling to a fantasy of America that was only close to being "reality" about a decade before 1960. They are skeptical if the rest if the world and think somehow we wil revert this country back to an early twentieth century industrial revolution ... Ok, but that is all nonsense. I know that's not nice to say but that's how it is, so what are we listening to? If it's about strengthening social safety nets, better education, fights for "living wage," well, um that's not Paul Ryan or Donald Trump.

Re: Time to Take a Stand

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Post by jinushaun »

Tech can also do a lot by stopping moving everyone to California. Winning the popular votes doesn't mean much when those votes only come from states that Hilary already won.

Re: Time to Take a Stand

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Post by shitgoose »

pcardh0 wrote: post #945
shitgoose wrote: post #705

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racist homophobes They used to call Trump also an anti-semite in the same sentence. Now he is down to just a racist and homophobe. Have I missed something?

I missed how Trump is a homophobe. Seriously, is there evidence for this or is it just a general insult thrown out when someone does something you don't like?

yep, it is a general insult our tolerant left is throwing at someone they don't like. standard multiple choice - racist, sexist, homophobe, antisemite, islamophob, child molester, hitler, nazi. or just downvote anonymously.

Re: Time to Take a Stand

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Post by shitgoose »

jacquesm wrote: post #820
shitgoose wrote: post #705

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racist homophobes They used to call Trump also an anti-semite in the same sentence. Now he is down to just a racist and homophobe. Have I missed something?

Kushner. A good chance that he'll use the American veto in the UN in support of Israel.

how does it stop Trump from being an antisemite?

Re: Time to Take a Stand

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Post by shitgoose »

tomjen3 wrote: post #815
shitgoose wrote: post #705

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racist homophobes They used to call Trump also an anti-semite in the same sentence. Now he is down to just a racist and homophobe. Have I missed something?

The rabbi at his inauguration? His jewish daughter?

not good enough. i still think he should be an antisemite.

edit: don't let little things like jewish son-in-law, daughter converting to judaism and inauguration rabbi fool you.

Re: Time to Take a Stand

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Post by scrollaway »

dang wrote: post #971
scrollaway wrote: post #952

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And your comment is truly repulsive. I have been fighting this for a year, far better with plain discussion than anyone I've seen with sticks and this isn't even my country . Your implications are disgusting and the nicest way I can find to tell it to you is to stuff it. What I said in my comment (I'm guessing you were too busy looking for that quote instead of reading mine more carefully) is that focusing on holding…

This sort of incivility is not allowed here, as you know, regardless of how wrong someone is. Please stop posting to HN like this.

Dang, I tried to be as courteous as I could be in my reply. I will not stand by idly when somebody throws these sort of implications at me.

How is the comment I was replying to at all civil?

Re: Time to Take a Stand

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Post by scrollaway »

dinkumthinkum wrote: post #973
scrollaway wrote: post #329

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You focus so much on holding people accountable rather than prevention. Lay off seeking justice for a while, try to seek order instead. Listen to why people voted Trump rather than call them all bigots and justify it with "they knew what they were getting into". As a european who truly despises Trump: This idea that you're too busy blaming people for being racist to spend time listening to them is honestly frightenin…

I understand you're view point but what is their to listen to? There are people that support republicans against their own interests, they are also amenable xenophobic rhetoric. They largely cling to a fantasy of America that was only close to being "reality" about a decade before 1960. They are skeptical if the rest if the world and think somehow we wil revert this country back to an early twentieth century industri…

It's a little foolish to think that over half the country is as xenophobic as the bottom tier of the trump demographic.

I'm not telling you to listen to the xenophobic demographic, but to listen to those who are willing to disregard their moral limits in order not to vote for the other side.

Trump has gotten votes from wildly diverse demographics. He's hijacked two parties he doesn't belong to just to win the election and he did win the election. Think of analyzing this as a post-mortem: What went wrong, why did people vote for somebody like this, etc.

Anyway, what I was trying to communicate (and seem to have failed to) in my earlier comment was that like in any post-mortem it's pointless to try and point fingers and assign blame. What good is "holding people accountable" going to do, other than strenghten the divide?

Re: Time to Take a Stand

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Post by Haegin »

willstrafach wrote: post #759
Haegin wrote: post #686

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Tech companies can also leave the states. Taking the amount of tax revenue they pay abroad will make a much stronger point than adding some banners, and that's before you factor in the deskilling of somewhere like the bay area if the tech companies leave. Of course, too many of the mostly white male tech company founders and investors are hoping to benefit from things like reduced corporate taxes to care about discri…

This is not true. The US taxes worldwide income regardless of country.

Oh yeah, I forgot about that crazy rule. That doesn't apply to corporate taxes though right?
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