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Re: Donald Trump is the president-elect of the U.S.

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Post by ant6n » Wed, Nov 09, 2016, 5:14 PM UTC

beaner wrote: post #948

ant6n wrote: post #902

It's all okay. You're allowed to be a racist now.

I guess this is pretty obviously just blatant trolling and should be downvoted, but if not, you're only proving my point. You should also take the time to read the "Smug style in American liberalism" post that is also trending. [1] [1] http://www.vox.com/2016/4/21/11451378/smug-american-liberali...

Well, I'm not an American, so there's that. I'm actually a real lefty, you know, one of those people who care about income inequality, and who want real change, and think the US too much resembles an oligarchy, with a tendency of authoritarian corporatism (=fascism). I get the protest vote that Trump represents. Except I believe his pandering to the poor is only pandering, in reality he only has a his own interest in mind. But also, he's a xonophobic, sexist, racist with fascist tendencies, and he seems to have invigorated those tendencies in people. "Overcoming" pc is one of his big accomplishments.

If saying that makes me a 'smug style liberal', so be it.

Re: Donald Trump is the president-elect of the U.S.

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Post by pcunite » Wed, Nov 09, 2016, 5:14 PM UTC

ant6n wrote: post #896

pcunite wrote: post #888

Thoughts on the election: For the past year, I've have been made to feel stupid (only the uneducated back Trump), violent (we cause rioting), abusive (can't treat women correctly), uncool (Lady Gaga tells me), and you name it. Fake patriots are everywhere and they did not even have the courage to explain what this was all about. Last night was nothing short of a miracle. God stepped in and brought the victory over al…

> Last night was nothing short of a miracle Honest question: Why are you on Hacker News?

I am a member of the technology community making computers and related devices more enjoyable for people who must use them everyday. I guess you're insinuating that we differ to such a great degree that I should not be present.

I was in the industry before a lot of startups made their first pitch. I will be present long after.

Re: Donald Trump is the president-elect of the U.S.

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Post by pcunite » Wed, Nov 09, 2016, 5:20 PM UTC

SCdF wrote: post #918

pcunite wrote: post #888

Thoughts on the election: For the past year, I've have been made to feel stupid (only the uneducated back Trump), violent (we cause rioting), abusive (can't treat women correctly), uncool (Lady Gaga tells me), and you name it. Fake patriots are everywhere and they did not even have the courage to explain what this was all about. Last night was nothing short of a miracle. God stepped in and brought the victory over al…

> Think for yourselves. I'm not sure this is a constructive phrase. Others may be different, but I've never managed to work out what it actually means: how is my thinking not my own, while yours is? What devices or strategies do you have that allow you to think on your own, while I am not doing so? I feel like that phrase really means: "Don't read the things you're reading, they are wrong, read what I'm reading inste…

I meant it as a compliment to the reader. Namely, that you are smart enough to figure out and discover the best path forward. You don't need everyone in the entertainment community to guide you on economic, moral, and national betterment.

For that matter, you should not need my comments either, you truly have the capacity to think. I'm only here for conversation, to provide strength and support.

Re: Donald Trump is the president-elect of the U.S.

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Post by dang » Wed, Nov 09, 2016, 5:21 PM UTC

ant6n wrote: post #921

cryptica wrote: post #832

I'm surprised by how many of my non-US friends are calling Americans 'Stupid' right now on social media for voting for Trump. I think that the Trump victory actually shows the opposite; that Americans are smart enough to think for themselves regardless of what the media tells them. They got to the meat of the information without buying into all the spin that the media put around it. I strongly disagree with several t…

"It shows that the white people are still in control - Not the blacks, not the hispanics, not women." There I fixed it.

Please don't do this here.

Re: Donald Trump is the president-elect of the U.S.

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Post by digler999 » Wed, Nov 09, 2016, 5:25 PM UTC

Houshalter wrote: post #326

nostromo wrote: post #51

Such a watershed moment. A few things strike me: * A Republican just won without being very religious and being wishy-washy on abortion. * The loser out-spent the winner by huge amounts. Does money really buy elections? Maybe, but not this one. * The rich abandoned Republicans, but many poor and working-class abandoned Democrats. [1] 1: http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/11/08/us/elections/e...

The last point is super interesting. More and more the democrats are coming to represent the upper class and republicans the lower. This election was hugely divided across class lines. Technically it's by college education status. But I believe that is highly correlated with social class.

> divided across class lines. Technically it's by college education status

And thanks to the exponential increase in college tuition over the past couple decades, the class/education status has almost completely converged.

Re: Donald Trump is the president-elect of the U.S.

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Post by aardshark » Wed, Nov 09, 2016, 5:30 PM UTC

throwaway274739 wrote: post #864

This is absolutely horrifying. To know that there are so many rural, angry white men who are so driven by hatred. There are just no words. This is a huge win for racism, misogyny and hate. I just don't know how this disgusting country is going to survive.

There's a number of people throughout this thread espousing the same opinion, using similarly divisive doomsday rhetoric.

Doesn't this reaction seem hyperbolic? It's impossible for angry racist white men alone to elect Trump. What about all the Hispanic, black, Asian, female and other minority voters who must have voted for him? Would you dismiss their view as 'misguided', or would you listen to their opinions and concerns?

I respect that you are passionate about the candidates, but I feel that the certainty you have when you dismiss all Trump voters as racist hateful misogynists is surely misplaced.

Re: Donald Trump is the president-elect of the U.S.

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Post by ahh » Wed, Nov 09, 2016, 5:49 PM UTC

cperciva wrote: post #307

dibstern wrote: post #147

So the world's most liveable city is Melbourne, Australia, we're very far from Trump, much further than Canada, VC firms and tech startups are more than welcome to come on over and enjoy the best quality of life on offer! Hehe

For Bay area VCs and tech startups which are looking for a highly liveable city a bit closer than Australia, Vancouver ranked a close third (after Melbourne and Vienna) in the Economist's ratings, and is just a 2h15m flight away from San Francisco. If anyone is interested in relocating, I'd be happy to help in any way I can (realizing of course that I'm not an immigration lawyer).

I find it interesting that most of the people I see on e.g. Facebook talking about moving to Canada are, in fact, not eligible to do so. (At least without a job offer in hand from a Canadian company to sponsor you.)

(Canada's a lovely country, I wonder if their immigration policies help keep it that way?)

Re: Donald Trump is the president-elect of the U.S.

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Post by paulddraper » Wed, Nov 09, 2016, 6:14 PM UTC

Avalaxy wrote: post #903

pcunite wrote: post #888

Thoughts on the election: For the past year, I've have been made to feel stupid (only the uneducated back Trump), violent (we cause rioting), abusive (can't treat women correctly), uncool (Lady Gaga tells me), and you name it. Fake patriots are everywhere and they did not even have the courage to explain what this was all about. Last night was nothing short of a miracle. God stepped in and brought the victory over al…

> God stepped in and brought the victory Ehh yea... No.

Well it certainly wasn't the pundits.

Re: Donald Trump is the president-elect of the U.S.

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Post by [deleted] » Wed, Nov 09, 2016, 6:20 PM UTC

DanBC wrote: post #914

agumonkey wrote: post #907

Whoelse thinks that Trump is and will mostly be a joke. That none of is populist antics will really reach our realm (mexican wall, anti climate research deeds, ...). That he and his team will get a reality check when nature, life, mind changing people will start to resist bits by bits to nonsensical projects ?

Just being elected will unleash all sorts of stuff. After Brexit the rates of hate crime in the UK rose significantly, and they're still at those high levels. Since people were openly chanting "Jew S A" at Trump rallies it's not hard to image that some people will feel that more than speech is fine.

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Re: Donald Trump is the president-elect of the U.S.

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Post by DanTheManPR » Wed, Nov 09, 2016, 6:24 PM UTC

jroseattle wrote: post #356

Big data and big polling (Nate Silvers) took a major credibility hit in this election. People will be studying this for years. Of course, it's not that big data itself was to blame, just the interpretation of it. Nate, not sure what to tell you but that was a significant miss in this election, going all the way back into the primaries.

On the contrary, FiveThirtyEight came off looking pretty good this year. Where other poll aggregators where giving Clinton very high chances, their models continued to maintain that Trump had something like a 1/3 chance. They also correctly identified the level of polling uncertainty in the rust belt, and how tight the race was in Florida (a state which continues to be the most important swing). There is this ongoing narrative that the polling wrong, when actually the results fit neatly into the level or uncertainty that the polls were suggesting. The same narrative had taken hold about Brexit polling, which is also wrong - the polls in the UK correctly indicated a close race.