A good reminder that security teams often have to act on incomplete information. False positives are frustrating, but missing a real threat would be much worse.
United Airlines 767 returns to Newark after Bluetooth name sparks alert
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Re: United Airlines 767 returns to Newark after Bluetooth name sparks alert
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Anecdote: I worked with software for battery EV power-train diagnostics, one of our devs decided to add emojis to success and error messages. He added a fire emoji to one success message. When testers saw it they were afraid that the customer would think it was a thermal runway problem. Had to do a last-minute revision of the software before shipping the new version. I was already pretty anti-emoji / personal touch /…
> one of our devs decided to add emojis to success and error messages. Was this LLM-driven development? I'm so glad that phase is over.
emojis in everything was a thing developers did long before the llms picked it up
Re: United Airlines 767 returns to Newark after Bluetooth name sparks alert
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Most BT speakers have a battery, which means it has to be in carry-on luggage. Why it would be powered on is the question, but this could have happened inadvertently by getting knocked around in a bag.
Sometimes I see my BT speaker broadcasting BLE info when it is turned off. Most things do not really 'turn off' these days.
Which is actually really useful, in this case – this lets me turn it on from across the room from my phone without having to get up!
Re: United Airlines 767 returns to Newark after Bluetooth name sparks alert
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I don't know what the right answer is to people doing weird stuff in enclosed places with a captive audience is. The wifi name probably should have been ignored. But the incidents of people airdropping profane pictures to randos on planes...
> I don't know what the right answer is to people doing weird stuff in enclosed places with a captive audience is. Punish the people who act. Seriously, think about the fear here. That someone's trivial to ignore tacky political statement causes what problem? That it causes a fight to erupt? Arrest the person who actually starts the fight . Do not police the actions of reasonable people just because they might upset…
Naming a device like this and bringing it onto a plane is actually what’s mental. People are tired of this reactionary content already and it needs to end. People need to remember what a CIVILIZED society is.
Re: United Airlines 767 returns to Newark after Bluetooth name sparks alert
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You are actually giving away liberties when boarding a plane and I'm pretty sure this is even written somewhere in the contract between you and the airline that you agreed on.
No contract is allowed to take away what the law gives you. Either the law says "except on a plane/ship/etc." (which is plausible) or the contract is invalid. Can you imagine how it would be if every contract you sign had a "I own you now, no backsies"?
What about the contract you sign when joining say the military? You certainly don’t have right to freedom of speech anymore.
Re: United Airlines 767 returns to Newark after Bluetooth name sparks alert
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Do you see how what you said is irrelevant whether it's the right way to think about it or not? The captain saw it, or had it brought to his attention, and decided to get rid of it. End of story. It doesn't matter whether or not it's easy to ignore, or whether anyone was truly affected by it, or anything else.
No, I do not see that. The captain is not a dictator on the plane. They can act according to reasonable and credible threats but their power is not infinite. They do not have the power to kick everyone off of the plane that's, say, wearing a yellow shirt. If a fight breaks out then arrest the person that started a fight. But if your argument is "we can't let X happen because it might start a fight" then maybe conside…
> They do not have the power to kick everyone off of the plane that's, say, wearing a yellow shirt.
They would likely lose their job if they did it depending on if ALPA wanted to fight for them or not, but they absolutely, 100% have the legal authority to do this. Maybe it should change, and I'm sorry it hurts your feelings, but that's just objectively how it is.
Re: United Airlines 767 returns to Newark after Bluetooth name sparks alert
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No contract is allowed to take away what the law gives you. Either the law says "except on a plane/ship/etc." (which is plausible) or the contract is invalid. Can you imagine how it would be if every contract you sign had a "I own you now, no backsies"?
> No contract is allowed to take away what the law gives you. That's incorrect. In fact this is exactly what all contracts do.
All contracts take away rights that the law explicitly guarantees you? Such confidence. Sometimes talking to an LLM is an improvement...
Re: United Airlines 767 returns to Newark after Bluetooth name sparks alert
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Bluetooth speakers don’t typically have WiFi or SSIDs. The Bluetooth advertising name is changeable on some newer higher end devices, but the vast majority of cheap speakers do not implement this from a practical standpoint. Changing the name on your device only changes the alias that you see, at least on most devices, but it might be possible to hook that on some OSs ?
An, sorry, yes, I confused with Wi-Fi for some reason. Nevertheless, they allow changing the name they broadcast, in the sense that other devices that see it for the first time see the changed name.
Again, very rarely. Highly unlikely this particular one does.
Re: United Airlines 767 returns to Newark after Bluetooth name sparks alert
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> No contract is allowed to take away what the law gives you. That's incorrect. In fact this is exactly what all contracts do.
All contracts take away rights that the law explicitly guarantees you? Such confidence. Sometimes talking to an LLM is an improvement...
Of course. For example, the law guarantees that I don't have to perform labor for someone else if I don't want to. An employment contract obligates me to.
Similarly, it's entirely possible to enter into a contract limiting your freedom of speech.
The entire point of a contract is to promise to do, or not to do, something that you could have freely chosen to do or not to do under the law without any contract.
Re: United Airlines 767 returns to Newark after Bluetooth name sparks alert
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> I’m lacking on the 1500 hours, but other than that, yeah. Hmm. So by, "yeah," you mean, "no." > The PIC does not get to make a passenger blow him, just like he can’t come read your emails if he feels like it. Straw man much? A captain of a 121-op is not going to get on the intercom and ask for this ... and expect to keep their job. Given that most people don't know where the line is drawn, there is an expectation t…
> Hmm. So by, "yeah," you mean, "no." “Frozen ATPL” is the industry term, and I could never have imagined an adult trying to debate the difference when it comes to theoretical education (hint: it’s the same). > There are definitely directions that, if not followed, result in committing a felony So? Nobody is disputing that! It’s certainly not a felony to disobey directions that are not relevant to flight operations o…
> ... you’ve just dropped a bunch of [...] personal attacks
False.