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Re: I believe there are entire companies right now under AI psychosis

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Post by bostik »

denkmoon wrote: post #615
solenoid0937 wrote: post #591

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Also at a FAANG here. Surprised you don't manage to use $300 in a whole day. It's almost trivial to productively use that much in under an hour. Leadership is not being dumb, at least on this topic. If your token usage is that low, you just aren't using AI that much (even if you think you are.)

I use $30 a day to produce a decent amount of code. Certainly more than we need - thinking about/designing the correct solution/distilling requirements is still the bottleneck. How can you possibly even review $300/day worth of output?

I used Claude about a week ago to do a pretty intensive refactoring. Cleanup, initial modularisation, beginnings of a test suite, and better isolated build. In a span of couple of hours, and over a sequence of 20+ new commits, I burned a hair over $100 in tokens.

If you are working on a seriously large legacy code base, I can see how you'd get to >$250 on a bad day.

Re: I believe there are entire companies right now under AI psychosis

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Post by ksec »

wrxd wrote: post #538

I’m at a FAANG and we have $300/day token quota. Personally I don’t use that much of it but management is pushing really hard for it. “the quota has been raised for a reason, use it”. Any task: “have you tried working on it with Claude?”. Every meeting “now engineer x and y will show you what he did with AI”. It’s not all useless but most of the days I think I would be more productive if some processes were streamlin…

>we have $300/day token quota.

Unless other FAANG have the exact amount this is going to be Apple.

And no wonder why the quality of Apple software has gone downhill.

Apple in software development and design used to be very conservative. BSD like. Especially the lower end of the stack.

Now it is no different to other Silicon Valley companies.

Re: I believe there are entire companies right now under AI psychosis

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Post by jiscariot »

charlotte-fyi wrote: post #248

I feel in a really weird position where I both really dislike what AI is doing to the experience and practice of writing code, to the point where I want a job doing literally anything else besides using the computer, but also think that these tools are extremely powerful and only getting better. I think Mitchell's point is well taken -- it's possible for these tools to introduce rotten foundations that will only be f…

Not FANG, but I work at a company that operates some infrastructure at scale. What I've seen is after we've rotated through a number of different tools, in different pilot groups, eventually converging on tool X (a custom, internal wrapper around opencode).

Now every "working session" like meeting, at the team or dept level, has been around how to use tool X. Tricks using tool X. Problems using tool X. I can't help feeling if we had spent the same amount of time building up core knowledge/contempencies around say, design patterns, networking, specs, we'd be in a better place for building.

Instead we are going to have a few thousand people who know a tool really well.

Re: I believe there are entire companies right now under AI psychosis

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Post by Our_Benefactors »

novaleaf wrote: post #869
nojs wrote: post #863

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> $300/day token quota Are companies using per-token billing? Why - is there some reason they can’t buy the $200/mo Claude plan for every employee?

Max 20x is for individuals only. (could probably have emps get it themselves, and reimburse)

> could probably have emps get it themselves, and reimburse

They can’t track token use this way. Also it’s a massive violation of the model providers TOS.

Re: I believe there are entire companies right now under AI psychosis

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Post by gregoryl »

mancerayder wrote: post #728
wrxd wrote: post #538

I’m at a FAANG and we have $300/day token quota. Personally I don’t use that much of it but management is pushing really hard for it. “the quota has been raised for a reason, use it”. Any task: “have you tried working on it with Claude?”. Every meeting “now engineer x and y will show you what he did with AI”. It’s not all useless but most of the days I think I would be more productive if some processes were streamlin…

300 a day?? 7K dollars a month? No wonder they need to lay people off!

I'm not aware of a limit in my current role. There is, however, a leaderboard.

Re: I believe there are entire companies right now under AI psychosis

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Post by 827a »

0x3f wrote: post #851
827a wrote: post #846

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I don't know. We invented machines that can answer arbitrary questions and are quickly demonstrating the ability to answer questions no human has been able to answer. We're sending more rockets to space in a week than we have in the prior decade. My car can drive itself. We experienced a global pandemic and within six months engineered and scaled the mass production of a vaccine to mitigate it. We also just invented…

> quickly demonstrating the ability to answer questions no human has been able to answer. Such as?

5.5 Pro has been leveraged to solve at least two previously-unsolved Erdos problems [1]. Whether these were unsolved due to being seriously untried by humanity, or because of their difficulty, isn't relevant; no human proved able to answer them, while our synthetic intelligence systems did.

In my personal life, I have leveraged these systems to design code that I don't believe I would ever have been able to designed. And, because no other human may attempt to, this means the same thing: That no human would have been able to do it. Things like reverse-engineering niche APIs and digging into binary files to diagnose weird format conversion issues.

[1] https://x.com/DavidTurturean/status/2054942008817451195

Re: I believe there are entire companies right now under AI psychosis

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Post by Toutouxc »

Our_Benefactors wrote: post #965
novaleaf wrote: post #869

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Max 20x is for individuals only. (could probably have emps get it themselves, and reimburse)

> could probably have emps get it themselves, and reimburse They can’t track token use this way. Also it’s a massive violation of the model providers TOS.

Huh? I believe it’s completely fine for a company to pay for regular Claude subscriptions for employees, as long as they don’t share logins.

Re: I believe there are entire companies right now under AI psychosis

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Post by abr0ahm »

lovich wrote: post #366
abr0ahm wrote: post #264

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I'm curious how to best define what AI psychosis actually is. My understanding is that regular psychosis involves someone taking bits and pieces of facts or real world events and chaining them into a logical order or interpolating meanings or explanations which feel real and obvious to the patient but are not sufficiently backed by evidence and thus not in line with our widely accepted understanding of reality. AI ps…

You speak like a bot and are a brand new account. Thank you for whoever set this up to add to the problem.

Thank you for trying to help address the bot problem, but this is a false positive.

Re: I believe there are entire companies right now under AI psychosis

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Post by 0x3f »

827a wrote: post #967
0x3f wrote: post #851

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> quickly demonstrating the ability to answer questions no human has been able to answer. Such as?

5.5 Pro has been leveraged to solve at least two previously-unsolved Erdos problems [1]. Whether these were unsolved due to being seriously untried by humanity, or because of their difficulty, isn't relevant; no human proved able to answer them, while our synthetic intelligence systems did. In my personal life, I have leveraged these systems to design code that I don't believe I would ever have been able to designed.…

> Whether these were unsolved due to being seriously untried by humanity, or because of their difficulty, isn't relevant

That seems very relevant to my evaluation. I can pull out my calculator right now and solve a problem no human ever has.

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