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Re: Miscellanea: The War in Iran

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Post by theonething »

donkeybeer wrote: post #939
theonething wrote: post #907

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Iran was NOT bombing its neighbours and demanding Hormuz toll before the war. Not even after it was bombed last June. Iran has a history of launching rockets into Israel, both through it's proxies an directly. It has also invaded the US embassy holding 52 staff hostage, conducted unprovoked attacks against allied interests, attacks merchant ships in international waters and massacred tens of thousands of it's own p…

If using proxies invites invasion, then proportionally the USA should be nuked multiple tims over from the face of the earth given the mass scale of terrorism their proxies have conducted. So this proxy argument is nonsense.

Your reading is very selective. I didn't just mention proxies in my comment.

Re: Miscellanea: The War in Iran

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Post by theonething »

donkeybeer wrote: post #910
theonething wrote: post #909

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Do you think I just gave isolated examples? I gave actual news articles because you would make up stuff and say its not real. These are part of a large trend. You're not being coherent here. What exactly is your point? Yes, you did give an isolated example. How exactly would I make stuff up and say it's not real? If IDF soldiers shooting children unprovoked is part of a large trend, surely this would be documented…

As I said you beautifully ignored who started the conflict, it hardly began on Oct 7. The prime minister literally came out of irgun the terrorist group. Its a known fact. I just gave one example, you can easily search and see how IDF loves killing children. And what kind of trend do you need for showing the nature of a peoples who literally cheer and celebrate a rapist being freed from jail?

> As I said you beautifully ignored who started the conflict, it hardly began on Oct 7

In 1947, the UN passed the United Nations Partition Plan for Palestine. It called for a two state solution, one for the Arabs and one for Israel. Britain supported it, the Jewish Agency supported it. Everyone supported it with the exception of, you guessed it, the Arabs. The Jewish were willing to compromise. Arabs, nope.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Partition_Plan_...

Immediately after the Partition Plan was adopted by the UN, the 1948 Palestine War started. Guess who attacked first and started it? You guessed it, the Arabs.

> The prime minister literally came out of irgun the terrorist group. Its a known fact.

Sorry, you're getting your facts wrong again. In this list of members of Irgun, do a ctrl-f on Netanyahu and see what you get. That's right, nothing.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Irgun_members

> And you don't need to ask me, just listen to the direct words of Bibi, Bezalel Smotrich and other Israeli government representatives how they want "Greater Israel" and wish for expansionism.

"From the river to the sea, Palestine must be free" - Palestinian chant

In a survey conducted by the Arab World for Research and Development 74.7% Palestinians agreed that they support a single Palestinian state "from the river to the sea", while only 5.4% of respondents supported a "one-state for two peoples" solution. 3 out 4 Palestinians supported the Oct 7 massacre of Israelis

Who is expansionist now?

When you have a group who's ideological goal has always been to exterminate the Jewish people and Israel, Israel must defend itself.

Re: Miscellanea: The War in Iran

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Post by baud147258 »

ReptileMan wrote: post #916
baud147258 wrote: post #837

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> Indochina Huh, that should be Indonesia... Because Indochina (as in the former French colony) was well and fully communist after the Vietnam war

Indochina is the name of the whole peninsula. Only cambodia and vietnam were. The domino theory was that Thailand and Myanmar will fall too.

well, Indochina wasn't communist free, as Cambodia and Vietnam were (and Laos too).

Re: Miscellanea: The War in Iran

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Post by donkeybeer »

theonething wrote: post #962
donkeybeer wrote: post #910

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As I said you beautifully ignored who started the conflict, it hardly began on Oct 7. The prime minister literally came out of irgun the terrorist group. Its a known fact. I just gave one example, you can easily search and see how IDF loves killing children. And what kind of trend do you need for showing the nature of a peoples who literally cheer and celebrate a rapist being freed from jail?

> As I said you beautifully ignored who started the conflict, it hardly began on Oct 7 In 1947, the UN passed the United Nations Partition Plan for Palestine. It called for a two state solution, one for the Arabs and one for Israel. Britain supported it, the Jewish Agency supported it. Everyone supported it with the exception of, you guessed it, the Arabs. The Jewish were willing to compromise. Arabs, nope. https://e…

The King David Hotel bombing wasn't started by arabs, it occurred much before the 48 date you have given. Its clear who started shit.

I wasn't talking about Netanyahu coming from Irgun but two other past prime ministers.

>From the river to the sea

Its very pleasing you quoted this slogan. And you accuse me of being biased? Do you know which Israeli political party's slogan this is?

Tell me, is this fake news: https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/smotrich-calls-israels-bo... ?

Or any of the politicians quotes here? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greater_Israel

Re: Miscellanea: The War in Iran

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Post by donkeybeer »

theonething wrote: post #962
donkeybeer wrote: post #910

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As I said you beautifully ignored who started the conflict, it hardly began on Oct 7. The prime minister literally came out of irgun the terrorist group. Its a known fact. I just gave one example, you can easily search and see how IDF loves killing children. And what kind of trend do you need for showing the nature of a peoples who literally cheer and celebrate a rapist being freed from jail?

> As I said you beautifully ignored who started the conflict, it hardly began on Oct 7 In 1947, the UN passed the United Nations Partition Plan for Palestine. It called for a two state solution, one for the Arabs and one for Israel. Britain supported it, the Jewish Agency supported it. Everyone supported it with the exception of, you guessed it, the Arabs. The Jewish were willing to compromise. Arabs, nope. https://e…

>When you have a group who's ideological goal has always been to exterminate the Jewish people and Israel, Israel must defend itself.

The locals didn't particularly give a shit about israel or jews until European jews began forcibly displacing them en masse. Jews lived there for centuries, sometimes treated better sometimes worse than Christians in Europe treated them.

Re: Miscellanea: The War in Iran

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Post by phatskat »

don_esteban wrote: post #938
DoctorOetker wrote: post #875

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motorcycles can navigate bombed terrain, your fiber optics cables will be torn...

I can see the following technology replacing motorcycles for communication: (works up to 20-30km, a bit more if needed) a) preinstall your fiber optic cable between points A and B (say AA platforms that need/want coordination for distributed passive/multistatic tracking of intruders) b) when it is torn, send a fiber optic drone from A to B and use its line to replace the torn one (those are flying in Ukraine with bom…

Wouldn’t a WiFi mesh network be more reliable in war-torn areas? If you just need communication then actual “internet” is incidental and probably a security risk - just having a fairly secure local mesh network, with nodes covering hot-spot areas, seems like a good idea - it can cross areas where fiber isn’t reliable because of all the war, and it can potentially remove the need for some by-hand communication.

Re: Miscellanea: The War in Iran

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Post by [deleted] »

thrance wrote: post #876
nozzlegear wrote: post #844

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So it's just a matter of not following the right democrats on the right social media platform? They just need to tweet storm more where you can see it? > while holding unto their hard pro-Israel line which already cost them the previous election. Kamala Harris lost because of the economy, inflation, and a mismatch in perceived values among Asian and Hispanic voters. She did not lose because the election was any sort…

I find the links you provided uninteresting. Americans only care about what they're made to care about. Trump ran on inflation and oil price, accusing Biden every step of the way, negatively polarizing enough voters against his opponents. This was very successful and got him elected. Now that inflation and oil prices are worse than they ever were under Biden, why are so few complaining about it? Because the Democrats…

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Re: Miscellanea: The War in Iran

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Post by pocksuppet »

andrewflnr wrote: post #292
cucumber3732842 wrote: post #172

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The majority are spam and rage baiting but a large enough amount to be concerning seem to be simply middle of the road opinions by otherwise fairly normal users who have strayed to far from the group in terms of some combination of tone or politics.

For those, we have a vouch button. But a dead comment doesn't send anyone to jail, so I agree that it causes less harm to hide a few harmless comments than to let everyone see some of the vile nonsense and/or blatant spam that gets flagged or hellbanned.

The spam comments are easy to skip over. Having them visible costs nothing.

Re: Miscellanea: The War in Iran

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Post by don_esteban »

phatskat wrote: post #966
don_esteban wrote: post #938

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I can see the following technology replacing motorcycles for communication: (works up to 20-30km, a bit more if needed) a) preinstall your fiber optic cable between points A and B (say AA platforms that need/want coordination for distributed passive/multistatic tracking of intruders) b) when it is torn, send a fiber optic drone from A to B and use its line to replace the torn one (those are flying in Ukraine with bom…

Wouldn’t a WiFi mesh network be more reliable in war-torn areas? If you just need communication then actual “internet” is incidental and probably a security risk - just having a fairly secure local mesh network, with nodes covering hot-spot areas, seems like a good idea - it can cross areas where fiber isn’t reliable because of all the war, and it can potentially remove the need for some by-hand communication.

Wifi mesh makes sense in a densely populated area, not over mostly desert.

Also, communication over longer distances (even few km) will add so much latency that it will be unusable for coordinated AA targeting.

Furthermore, all that radiating will just invite bombs from the attacker.

Maybe I was not clear enough about the goal: not "robust command and control communication network", but more of:

quickly and temporarily set up a high-bandwidth low latency communication network to accomplish AA ambush using coordinated mobile passive sensors (a quick radar burst might for initial acquisition might be useful, but probably not necessary).

Re: Miscellanea: The War in Iran

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Post by DoctorOetker »

don_esteban wrote: post #938
DoctorOetker wrote: post #875

Earlier quoted context omitted.

motorcycles can navigate bombed terrain, your fiber optics cables will be torn...

I can see the following technology replacing motorcycles for communication: (works up to 20-30km, a bit more if needed) a) preinstall your fiber optic cable between points A and B (say AA platforms that need/want coordination for distributed passive/multistatic tracking of intruders) b) when it is torn, send a fiber optic drone from A to B and use its line to replace the torn one (those are flying in Ukraine with bom…

Right, but those are realistic engineering considerations.

Nowhere in your message do you describe light-speed motorcycles.

You didn't arrive at this conclusion thanks to a light-speed motorcycle thought exercise...

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