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Re: Global warming has accelerated significantly

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Post by blueeon »

apt-apt-apt-apt wrote: post #889
blueeon wrote: post #884

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Some say that when encountering difficulties, one should either change them or adapt to them, and be able to distinguish between the two. It is obvious that we cannot change climate change, and even if individuals can do some environmental protection, they still cannot change it.

Humans are actively causing climate change (or greatly contributing to it), so it must be possible to change it to some degree.

Yes. This can be achieved through strong government policies, sustained investment and publicity, and the participation of the entire population.

Re: Global warming has accelerated significantly

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Post by redeeman »

throwawaysleep wrote: post #211
abound wrote: post #172

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I've been mentally tabulating a list of reasons rich (and/or older) people should care about climate change, even if you're only looking out for your own interests: - Your children and younger family members will have to deal with this - Climate change is causing increasingly worse turbulence for airplanes - It will disproportionately affect your favorite vacation spots - Probably something about stock markets and pe…

None of that would matter. Farmers are going bankrupt and losing family land and yet... There are a certain number of people who just cannot change. There are large numbers of diabetics who die despite an enormous number of warnings.

living in a big city gives you higher chances of getting loung problems. So many people are dying despite an enormous amount of warnings.

"why wont they listen? cities are worse for your health!"

this kind of argument is insane. If a new food was made that tasted absolutely horrific, but let you live 1 year longer. Would you switch to it exclusively?

Re: Global warming has accelerated significantly

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Post by wffurr »

goatlover wrote: post #396
wffurr wrote: post #186

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If this was the stated rationale and goal of the trade war, I'd be all for it. This is exactly the kind of situation tariffs are for.

Tariffs on goods the world pays China to make which drives up emissions?

What? I think you forgot some words in there.

The EU has applied tariffs for climate reasons with the carbon border adjustment. The idea is for a country to have domestic climate standards, and then apply tariffs on importers who import from countries that don't meet those standards. It's a straightforward application of tariffs to ensure domestic manufacturers aren't undercut by foreign rivals that aren't required to meet the same standards and redirect importers to sources that do meet standards or at least come closer.

Carbon tax at home and carbon tariffs abroad is the only real economically sound strategy to nudge the economy towards emitting less.

And yes, that does likely mean taxing Chinese imports in the short term. The Chinese leadership does understand the risks of climate change as well or better than many other countries and is already pursuing enormous amounts of clean energy and emission standards, so I'd not expect the tariffs on Chinese imports to last long on an environmental or carbon basis.

Re: Global warming has accelerated significantly

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Post by cbility »

tgsovlerkhgsel wrote: post #928
timr wrote: post #868

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Setting aside the names of the authors, this is a very bad paper. They take temperature data sets, "adjust" [1] them by attempting to remove the biggest recent factors (volcanism, solar and el nino cycles) affecting temperatures , then do a piece-wise regression analysis to look at trends in 10-year chunks. This is just bad methodology, akin to what a junior graduate student with a failing thesis might do to find sig…

They also don't seem to account for the reduction of sulfur emissions from ships, which is surprising given how widely this was reported even in mainstream media. Is this an oversight (or "oversight") or something that is reasonable for some reason that would be so obvious to experts in the field that it's not worth mentioning?

Doesn't that fall outside the scope of "natural variability factors" which they are trying to account for?

Re: Global warming has accelerated significantly

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Post by Biologist123 »

ai-x wrote: post #808
notarobot123 wrote: post #182

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Ironically, those still unconvinced of the human influence on climate change seem to be the sort that would trust the basement randos more than they would reputable scientists

There are various levels of perspectives - Climate Warming is a hoax - Climate Warming is happening, but not Man Made and part of larger cycles - Climate Warming is Man Made, but drastic De-growth strategies cause more harm. - Climate Warming is Man Made, don't need de-growth strategies because Technology will solve energy efficiency, clean energy growth and carbon capture and humans adapt along the way - Climate War…

Maybe add climate change is real but there’s little we can do to stop it/change the systems which result in it.

Re: Global warming has accelerated significantly

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Post by Dormeno »

standeven wrote: post #303

The main driver of this is human-produced CO2, and there are meaningful ways to reduce usage. -Switch to an electric vehicle -Migrate from gas appliances (range, furnace, water heater) to electric (induction, heat pumps) -If your power grid isn’t clean, add rooftop or balcony solar -Encourage friends and family to do the same

> Switch to an electric vehicle

I can't afford it. For context, I paid £500 for my current vehicle back in 2020. My bills have only gone up since, but my salary has not.

> Migrate from gas appliances (range, furnace, water heater) to electric (induction, heat pumps)

I can't afford that either. When I got my home assessed, switching to heat pumps requires replacing all the radiators in my house and extra insulation, etc. My gas boiler does have a built-in electric induction system, but it's only used when the tank is cold.

> If your power grid isn’t clean, add rooftop or balcony solar

I can afford the solar panels, but I can't afford the battery storage, nor the installation, and my area does not allow for an inverter connected to the main grid.

Re: Global warming has accelerated significantly

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Post by ai-x »

truculent wrote: post #816
ai-x wrote: post #808

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There are various levels of perspectives - Climate Warming is a hoax - Climate Warming is happening, but not Man Made and part of larger cycles - Climate Warming is Man Made, but drastic De-growth strategies cause more harm. - Climate Warming is Man Made, don't need de-growth strategies because Technology will solve energy efficiency, clean energy growth and carbon capture and humans adapt along the way - Climate War…

Hypothetically speaking, if people in the last group were right, and that is the logical conclusion to be reached from careful evaluation of the evidence, wouldn’t the other positions indeed be ones of wilful denial of the state of the climate?

At the end of the day, we are talking about humanity/civilization and not planet earth itself.

We have easy measures of that

- Real GDP.

- Global Life Expectancy

- Global Child Mortality

- Global Poverty

- Global Food Production

If you are really into science and evidence, you should be tracking that for humanity extinction/survival trends (and the effect technology is having in tackling climate change), which is what my position is

Re: Global warming has accelerated significantly

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Post by rizpanjwani »

Dansvidania wrote: post #917
TacticalCoder wrote: post #819

There's a huge hypocrisy in wanting others to pollute less, yet still have a lifestyle that pollutes, but just less than those polluting the most. I personally won't criticize people who take flights to go on vacation (I don't but I accept those who do). But I'll be pointing out the hypocrisy of those who take flights to go on vacation and yet want to micro-manage how others should live their lives so that they'd be…

> There's a huge hypocrisy in wanting others to pollute less, yet still have a lifestyle that pollutes, but just less than those polluting the most > And I'll never ever take a single lesson about pollution from anyone who had two kids or more.

You think you’re clever but I don’t see a contradiction here. He is not asking anyone to pollute less and won’t let anyone, especially someone with two kids or more to preach to him.

Re: Global warming has accelerated significantly

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Post by cbeach »

xracy wrote: post #846
cbeach wrote: post #824

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Saying "The West has deindustrialised" is incredibly disingenuous. The west's consumerism has driven a race-to-the-bottom for pricing of products in China and India.

Seeking the cheapest goods is not a practice that's isolated to Westerners.

But destroying our own industrial capacity by government policy is certainly something unique to our countries.

Re: Global warming has accelerated significantly

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Post by cbeach »

triceratops wrote: post #867
cbeach wrote: post #824

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> India and China’s contribution to CO2 emissions dwarfs the rest of the world Such brazen, bald-faced lies. How do you sleep at night? https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/cumulative-co2-emissions-...

I wasn't talking about historic emissions. I was talking about the current state of affairs, and in particular, the projections over the next few years, as this is what's relevant.

I'm not interested in political judgements of "past guilt." I'm interested in the trends that will matter for our childrens' future.

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