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Re: Claws are now a new layer on top of LLM agents

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Post by tovej »

aydyn wrote: post #952
tovej wrote: post #809

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Or feeling things for that matter.

Of course it can "model time". It has access to system clock and know its heartbeat rate. Can you "model time" when you are asleep? Whatever "model time" means, it sounds like projection to be frank. > Or feeling things for that matter. Philosophical zombie experiment, the conclusion is qualia dont matter, only IO. If two systems have the same behavior there is no meaningful difference.

Modeling time means there is some way of e.g. evolving state over time, or projecting change over a period of time. Or being able to count time passing (without being told by external sources).

The LLM has no model of time. It is being called at regular times. If the cronjob misses two days or even a whole year of calling the LLM, the LLM will not respond any differently from if the cronjob was on time.

Re: Claws are now a new layer on top of LLM agents

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Post by game_the0ry »

elzbardico wrote: post #890
game_the0ry wrote: post #868

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I work at a company that is forcing us to use AI as much as possible for our coding work. I did 1 month's of work in 1 day last week. A few hiccups, but the slop works as expected. From where I sit, the hype is real.

Well, roughly half developers are below the average. LLM code is good enough for them, but now such developers can add technical debt faster. Sorry, but if you don't see the issues with the code LLM generates....

I will let a principal of engineering at google do the talking for me:

> I'm not joking and this isn't funny. We have been trying to build distributed agent orchestrators at Google since last year. There are various options, not everyone is aligned... I gave Claude Code a description of the problem, it generated what we built last year in an hour.

src: https://x.com/rakyll/status/2007239758158975130

Re: Claws are now a new layer on top of LLM agents

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Post by RamblingCTO »

kristopolous wrote: post #816
RamblingCTO wrote: post #811

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So creating skills/MCP servers itself and basically change its own nature is not a new thing? Clawdbot was the first were it worked really well. So I'm not sure you actually used and experienced it? Cynical comment is what it is.

No it's not a new thing. Agents coding their own mcp servers I saw in the original demo of MCP when it was announced in 2024. The other thing is part of the plan&act mode paradigm that plandex also started in 2024. I'm not a cynic, I just follow the scene very closely. This stuff might be new to you, but it's not new. There's literally nothing that this thing is doing that I haven't been doing for a few years already…

> This stuff might be new to you, but it's not new.

But it's not new to me, I studied this shit. Maybe don't assume so much.

Clawdbot was the first where it worked as good as it did. Not BabyAGI or all the other stuff we had before. Similar in approach, but clawdbot just worked better. Might be a synthesis between models getting better, having skills and more MCP servers available and clawdbot having enough integrations to make it interesting, but it doesn't matter. The ipod wasn't the first anyway, but it was the one that made it stick. If you like it or not.

> I can do this as well. "This is it! The singularity is here. Use this or get left behind! Everybody rush and use my thing! So good I was afraid to put it out, scared of how awesome it is!"

I think that's a you problem tbh. Just check it out yourself and don't buy in on the hype. Simple. Use whatever makes you happy.

Re: Claws are now a new layer on top of LLM agents

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Post by hamburglar »

PantaloonFlames wrote: post #879
hamburglar wrote: post #514

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The computer nerds understand how to isolate this stuff to mitigate the risk. I’m not in on openclaw just yet but I do know it’s got isolation options to run in a vm. I’m curious to see how they handle controls on “write” operations to everyday life. I could see something like having a very isolated process that can, for example, send email, which the claw can invoke, but the isolated process has sanity controls such…

I don’t understand how “running it in a vm” Or a docker image, prevents the majority of problems. It’s an agent interacting with your bank, your calendar, your email, your home security system, and every subscription you have - DoorDash, Spotify, Netflix, etc. maybe your BTC wallet. What protection is offered by running it in a docker container? Ok, It won’t overwrite local files. Is that the major concern?

Read my second paragraph.

It’s a matter of giving the system shims instead of direct access to “write” ops. Those shims have controls in place. Their only job is to examine the context and decide whether the (email|purchase|etx) is acceptable, either by static rules, human intervention, or, if you’re really getting spicy. separate-llm-model-that-isn’t-polluted-by-untrusted-data.

Edit: I actually wrote such a thing over the weekend as a toy PoC. It uses the LLM to generate a list of proposed operations, then you use a separate tool to iterate though them and approve/reject/skip each one. The only thing the LLM can do is suggest things from a modest set of capabilities with a fairly locked-down schema. Even if I were to automate the approvals, it’s far from able to run amok.

Re: Claws are now a new layer on top of LLM agents

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Post by CMay »

javier123454321 wrote: post #869
CMay wrote: post #764

This feels like the 2026 version of "blog". A thing that didn't need a name and the name it now has contains "out of touch" qualities to it, but it spread easier under a name that got popularized so it wins out in evolutionary terms? Unlike blog though, claw is camping on an existing word and it won't surprise me if people settle on some other word once a more popular, professional and security conscious variant exis…

I do consider it unique to interface with your home lab server or personal vps through a messaging. The first time I did a version of that, I was completely blown away by that concept. I guess I just never thought about being able to talk to my computer in English via chat.

If we're talking strictly a messaging app, like ICQ, AIM, etc you could argue it's mildly different, but people have communicated with and orchestrated machines over IRC for a very long time which is where I'm coming from with it.

It is fun and feels new the first time you do it, but that aspect of it is not particularly new to computing. Back then of course, you'd interface with some flat text file database, directories, run commands or use raw sockets to scrape some website to get a result. APIs weren't a thing as much as you'd just try to replicate the queries to submit webpage forms.

You could have a music server in another room and send a message to pick the next song or open the CD drive on some machine halfway around the world. You could write new scripts that operate on a daily schedule and have them running on machines around the world. Many home computers were totally compromised back then too, so almost anything that was connected to IRC was a potential orchestration node.

Having an LLM make decisions about what to do with the machine is a natural evolution of that and not a hard thing to hack on if you have the right model, although it makes totally compromised the new default again.

Re: Claws are now a new layer on top of LLM agents

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Post by javier123454321 »

irishcoffee wrote: post #910
javier123454321 wrote: post #878

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I'm sorry you might have missed the part where I was being sarcastic. Setting up your own SMTP server is actually literally a bad idea for the most part. Unless you want to debug your own mail server. Which, I promise you, 99% of users using gmail do not, and should not.

Handing your digital life to a claw bot that was vibe coded however, is a good idea?

Every single documentation and commentary about this says that it is not a good idea, but it does trigger the inspiration and imagination of people of what the future is going to be. The whole conversation around this comment is that people don't get why people are excited about this.

Re: Claws are now a new layer on top of LLM agents

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Post by corndoge »

kristopolous wrote: post #935
infecto wrote: post #887

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No disagreement. It just feels like increasingly it’s getting more cynical. It’s probably the case with most online communities but it’s a shame to see it so much here now.

It's not cynical it's explanatory. Someone asked why it's successful and I restricted myself to making factual verifiable claims.

Your explanation was helpful and thanks to you and other commenters I think I understand now. Effectively it is just the stack delivered in a shiny package. Another comment said something to the effect of "all of the existing stuff, productized for normies". Makes sense to me. Thanks!

Re: Claws are now a new layer on top of LLM agents

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Post by corndoge »

athrowaway3z wrote: post #907
corndoge wrote: post #746

I still don't understand what openclaw is or does and i've read the docs multiple times over. "Any OS gateway for AI agents across WhatsApp, Telegram, Discord, iMessage, and more. Send a message, get an agent response from your pocket. Plugins add Mattermost and more." "What is OpenClaw? OpenClaw is a self-hosted gateway that connects your favorite chat apps — WhatsApp, Telegram, Discord, iMessage, and more — to AI c…

Easy set up + WhatsApp messages + wakes up regularly to make it feel more alive + larger memory (local fs) => non-dev fascination I think the issue you have is one of perspective. Reminds me of the Dropbox launch on HN where the top comment was something like: > Yes but why not just rsync?

Thank you!

Re: Claws are now a new layer on top of LLM agents

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Post by corndoge »

tw04 wrote: post #917
corndoge wrote: post #884

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It is being discussed as though it were ontologically novel, karpathy is saying it's something new and he is an authority, so to me there is something here that i am not seeing. I promise i am not trying to be a naysayer or poke holes, I am literally just trying to find out what the hell it is. I would install it but i don't want to install something without knowing what it does, and what is written in the docs is cl…

You’re currently arguing dropbox wasn’t novel because you could do everything it could do by hand. 99% of the general AI utilizing public has no desire to build and maintain what you’re doing.

I am not arguing, merely seeking to understand. I'm not saying it isn't novel. I'm saying that I don't understand what is novel about it and seeking clarity.

The answer seems to be simply that it is all of the extant technologies productized for normies, a la Dropbox. Satisfactory answer, got what I was looking for, thank you! As a dropbox user, I may buy a mac mini and try it :-)

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