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Re: US plans online portal to bypass content bans in Europe and elsewhere

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Post by arrrg »

Argonaut998 wrote: post #543
arrrg wrote: post #530

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The people in Europe have a different view of freedom of speech and that’s fine. Not everything that’s a slightly different perspective on freedom of speech and what that entails and includes is tyranny.

I’m European and I do not. France and the UK especially come from the same liberal intellectual root as the USA. What we see today is a bastardisation of these principles in Europe. Only the US was smart enough to canonise it into law.

Democracy also includes sometimes things not happening the way you want to … happens to me all the time, too.

Obviously free (and not merely democratic societies) need strong protections of minorities and broad freedoms, but I don’t see free speech implementations in Europe broadly infringing on that.

Re: US plans online portal to bypass content bans in Europe and elsewhere

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Post by littlestymaar »

jbstack wrote: post #482
pms wrote: post #434

It's a waste of resources, but please do it! The entire "European Union censors" narrative is a hoax [1], so the portal will achieve nothing, but you've got to do what you've got to do! [1] First, the EU countries have much higher World Press Freedom Index than the US. Second, once you start reading how little there is of the alleged "censorship" in the EU, you realize it's a no-brainer aiming to protect people.

As someone living in an EU state who has to regularly turn my VPN on and off to have full internet access, I can't agree with you that it's a "hoax". It's inconvenient enough for me that I'm looking into having a custom router that will switch between VPN destinations depending on what site I'm accessing. Also "EU countries have higher press freedom than the US" is a strawman argument. We're not talking about press f…

> EU state who has to regularly turn my VPN on and off to have full internet access

Because you really think this “portal” is going to let you access websites diffusing copyrighted content?

That's by far the most prevalent kind of blocking and I don't think the current admin is against that at all, they just want to to promote Nazi speech (which is barely blocked in the first place).

I wonder what they'll do about pedophile stuff though.

Re: US plans online portal to bypass content bans in Europe and elsewhere

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Post by gunsle »

deadbabe wrote: post #838
pousada wrote: post #789

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So far the current admin has been very successful in obliterating all the soft power the US built up through the decades.

I have no idea why they would do this, but I often wonder if maybe soft power becomes less valuable in a world where more countries are able to empower themselves on their own. Perhaps soft power itself is only valuable as long as this asymmetry is sustained. Otherwise, it’s all about hard power.

Exactly. We are heading out of a time where soft power is stronger than hard. We are going back to the days of hard power being the only thing that really matters. As resource competition becomes more intense, and economies stagnate, you can no longer afford to play “nice” with your countries’ future. It’s pretty annoying to me a lot of commenters on the internet are apparently too ideological or immature to grasp that.

Re: US plans online portal to bypass content bans in Europe and elsewhere

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Post by diydsp »

deadbabe wrote: post #838
pousada wrote: post #789

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So far the current admin has been very successful in obliterating all the soft power the US built up through the decades.

I have no idea why they would do this, but I often wonder if maybe soft power becomes less valuable in a world where more countries are able to empower themselves on their own. Perhaps soft power itself is only valuable as long as this asymmetry is sustained. Otherwise, it’s all about hard power.

Their soft power is being cashed in for the benefit of an oligarchy.

Re: US plans online portal to bypass content bans in Europe and elsewhere

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Post by ben_w »

weregiraffe wrote: post #960
ben_w wrote: post #880

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> and debate is a means to pursue an agenda Scount mindset: the discovery of the truth to the best of our ability without fear or favour. The metaphor is: A scout who tells the general his troops are strong when they are weak, that the enemy is weak when it is strong, is a bad scout. The opposite is a soldier mindset: a soldier who fears to fight when ordered, no matter the strength of the enemy, isn't a good soldier…

>Scount mindset: the discovery of the truth to the best of our ability without fear or favour. That's a mind-slave mindset. Why is the scout working for the general and not for himself?

Why do you see the negative in everything, even metaphors? There's no slavery here. There's not even "slavery" even in actual scouts working for actual generals.

And a general needs the same *mindset*, even if they must also engage in performative ho-rah-ing to the troops.

A general may need to order their troops to die for the greater good, they may need to lie to the troops to up morale, but if a general lets themselves believe they're strong when they're weak, they're bad at being generals. If they don't listen to their scouts, if they shoot the messenger, they're bad at being generals.

Re: US plans online portal to bypass content bans in Europe and elsewhere

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Post by dgellow »

sunaookami wrote: post #828
dgellow wrote: post #442

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That’s a complete lie. I’m in Germany and can access rt.com perfectly fine

Why do you accuse me of lying when you can literally google it and the decret that got passed? Not every ISP seems to participate (if you'd googled it you find news articles complaining that it isn't censor enoughed ironically: https://www.nytimes.com/2024/05/30/business/media/russia-rt-... ). EDIT: https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?uri=CELEX:32...

you're right, I apologize for the knee-jerk reaction. I completely forgot my router doesn't use my ISP DNS. Thanks for the calm response and links, even after my inflammatory comment. Unfortunately I cannot edit or delete it anymore

Re: US plans online portal to bypass content bans in Europe and elsewhere

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Post by pousada »

gunsle wrote: post #963
deadbabe wrote: post #838

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have no idea why they would do this, but I often wonder if maybe soft power becomes less valuable in a world where more countries are able to empower themselves on their own. Perhaps soft power itself is only valuable as long as this asymmetry is sustained. Otherwise, it’s all about hard power.

Exactly. We are heading out of a time where soft power is stronger than hard. We are going back to the days of hard power being the only thing that really matters. As resource competition becomes more intense, and economies stagnate, you can no longer afford to play “nice” with your countries’ future. It’s pretty annoying to me a lot of commenters on the internet are apparently too ideological or immature to grasp th…

Hard power was always stronger. That’s why the US was so successful in the past century - they just have a lot of weapons and little hesitation to use them. It’s a pretty bellicose culture too.

I still think that soft power helped the US tremendously. For all their faults i really had a very positive view on the US, most of it was coloured through soft power. “Inventing” modern democracy, liberating EU from the nazis, Rock’n’Roll, hippie movement, Hollywood, early internet culture - all that overshadowed the imperialism.

Now the mask has come off. And I believe you are right that it ultimately may not matter too much. But then again I doubt the US will be able to style itself again as the “good guys”, the ones who spread democracy to all the oppressed people and and so on without significant effort.

Re: US plans online portal to bypass content bans in Europe and elsewhere

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Post by matheusmoreira »

eunos wrote: post #955
matheusmoreira wrote: post #915

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> Yelling "I HAVE A BOMB!" in an airport comes with consequences. It's not the speech itself that's illegal, it's the fact that they made everyone nearby aware they could have the means to mass murder everyone around them. People will obviously react to that by taking down the potential threat.

That's a convoluted way of saying "You have a freedom of speech but not after the speech"

It's more like the content of the speech matters. If you tell someone you're going to kill them, it becomes self defense if they kill you before that happens.

Re: US plans online portal to bypass content bans in Europe and elsewhere

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Post by deadbabe »

pousada wrote: post #967
gunsle wrote: post #963

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Exactly. We are heading out of a time where soft power is stronger than hard. We are going back to the days of hard power being the only thing that really matters. As resource competition becomes more intense, and economies stagnate, you can no longer afford to play “nice” with your countries’ future. It’s pretty annoying to me a lot of commenters on the internet are apparently too ideological or immature to grasp th…

Hard power was always stronger. That’s why the US was so successful in the past century - they just have a lot of weapons and little hesitation to use them. It’s a pretty bellicose culture too. I still think that soft power helped the US tremendously. For all their faults i really had a very positive view on the US, most of it was coloured through soft power. “Inventing” modern democracy, liberating EU from the nazis…

Modern democracy is screwed because of hyperpropaganda and political parties. Liberating EU from Nazis, a long time ago, no one cares anymore. Rock’n’roll not that popular now. Hippie movement is dead, replaced by woke. Hollywood is becoming devalued due to AI and other countries creating their own content, and most things are remakes now. Early internet culture is gone, everything is siloed into social media apps.

The United States has nothing now, back to imperialism it seems.

Re: US plans online portal to bypass content bans in Europe and elsewhere

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Post by sunaookami »

dgellow wrote: post #966
sunaookami wrote: post #828

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why do you accuse me of lying when you can literally google it and the decret that got passed? Not every ISP seems to participate (if you'd googled it you find news articles complaining that it isn't censor enoughed ironically: https://www.nytimes.com/2024/05/30/business/media/russia-rt-... ). EDIT: https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?uri=CELEX:32...

you're right, I apologize for the knee-jerk reaction. I completely forgot my router doesn't use my ISP DNS. Thanks for the calm response and links, even after my inflammatory comment. Unfortunately I cannot edit or delete it anymore

It's ok, it's a heated topic. Kudos for apologizing :)
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