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Europe's $24T Breakup with Visa and Mastercard Has Begun

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Re: Europe's $24T Breakup with Visa and Mastercard Has Begun

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Others have said it but I will pile on as this is dangerous misinformation. It’s sort of true in a legal sense, but not a practical one. If you find yourself in a dispute (even outright fraud sometimes) you might end up stuck for weeks or months with your disputed funds frozen. If you are a highly paid software engineer with considerable assets and transaction volume at your bank it’s likely you will never experience…

> Others have said it but I will pile on as this is dangerous misinformation. Was that an introduction to the rest of your comment? Explain to me please how a dispute with a vendor on a purchase makes a difference for your ability to pay rent? If the purchase was not fraud, then you have used that money anyway with your purchase. Unless you're planning to pay rent by bartering your Amazon order. If you're instead tal…

> But the fraud protection is the same, even if procedures and timelines might differ.

I wrote about outright fraud taking weeks (in one case, months) to resolve. From my own personal direct experience.

> I had a friend who doesn’t even have a passport dispute an ATM transaction in a country he never visited.

Does this sound like a dispute with a vendor or outright fraud?

A dispute with a vendor can also mean an overcharge or something like a renewal fee for a yearly membership that is under dispute. It's not just marginal items you bought and the vendor refuses a return or it never shows up or whatever.

Like I said - if you are a highly paid professional you likely will never have a problem with this. It's an invisible part of the economy to you. If you are working class you are much more likely to have a wildly different experience. Banks have what is effectively an internal credit score system for each customer. For those with serious assets with the bank you get a lot more leeway and benefit of the doubt until you start abusing it.

Re: Europe's $24T Breakup with Visa and Mastercard Has Begun

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That’s how all my non resident friends pay. They have chase bofa discover Amex etc cards that they use to pay most places. Ease of payments is the catch and credit cards bring that process down a lot. There is something psychological going on with cards that UPI and ApplePay simply don’t have. Swiping probably was fastest.

Apple Pay did not work when I was there (2018-2021). Does it now? I'm planning my next trip and little things like Apple Pay go a long way :)

Nope it doesn’t but it’s coming soon apparently. I’m assuming these POS just get a firmware update to get it to work.

Re: Europe's $24T Breakup with Visa and Mastercard Has Begun

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I don't see an alternative to Visa and Mastercard being discussed in the article. I just see ways of making bank transfers easier. Banks generally don't provide ways to dispute transactions, which is why fraudsters generally use bank transfer mechanisms. Once your money leaves your account, it is possibly gone, and once it leaves the country it is definitely gone. Banks here are now inserting delays on transfers in a…

This is an American-centric POV. I can’t speak for Europe but in many parts of Asia payments are most commonly done as a transfer of digital cash rather than credit. Whether it’s “consumer friendly” is not particularly relevant. People already accept it as a way to transact and there’s very little reason to switch to credit cards.

Over here in Australia, it is mostly Visa and Mastercard debit cards in use (credit cards are available, but expensive and no longer popular). Your money still disappears from your account immediately, but you still can get a refund when using a payment network. Whereas a bank gets to say 'can't help, contact the vendor'. I suspect this is a result of how our consumer protection laws are setup, as the payment network takes on certain legal responsibilities when they accept my cash, even it they then just pass most of it on to the actual vendor. I guess that can work here, as until eCommerce arrived you were rarely making a payment over an international border.

Re: Europe's $24T Breakup with Visa and Mastercard Has Begun

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Competition is good.

Will it be accepted in hotels abroad? Can i withdraw cash at ATM abroad? Can i add it as a card to my Google wallet?

Usually banks app are nightmare. Pins everywhere, extra passwords. MFA not with my dongle....

Sigh.

Seriously, I have had no issues with visa or mastercard. This euro-nationalism is odd to me.

Re: Europe's $24T Breakup with Visa and Mastercard Has Begun

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Aside from Ukraine & Afghanistan war(and this one is for US self), what wars have been fought because the US intervened due to threats against NATO members?

See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_military_intervention_in_... -- initiated by France and Britain, proving that NATO is not a "defensive military alliance" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NATO_bombing_of_Yugoslavia -- another offensive "humanitarian" action By withdrawing from NATO and pulling our military bases out of Europe, it becomes more difficult for the US to "intervene" in the Middle East at the pleasure o…

So here's the problem. Assuming what you said is correct, the US, UK, and France want NATO to be more than just a defensive organization. But what about other NATO members? They don't have as many interests to protect in Africa and the Middle East, but they need NATO to defend against Russia. So why should they care about competition between China and the US elsewhere?

and you said China actively supplies war material to Russia. but in early 2025, China’s top UAV export destinations were Hong Kong, the Netherlands, and the United States, https://www.airmobi.com/from-billion-dollar-orders-to-global... why Netherlands need so many UAV? That's why polls showed that China has higher approval than the US in Europe.

Re: Europe's $24T Breakup with Visa and Mastercard Has Begun

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Not in EU. https://eur-lex.europa.eu/EN/legal-content/summary/fees-for-... > Specifically, the regulation: > caps interchange fees at 0.2% of the transaction value for consumer debit cards and at 0.3% for consumer credit cards;

Key term in that sentence is consumer . As in that's not the cap for businesses . You need to look at both sides of the transaction to figure out the total.

That's the full cap for "consumer cards", so cards owned by "normal people".

There are exceptions for business cards, as said in the document:

> provides for a limited number of exemptions, such as business cards used only for business expenses being charged directly to the account of the company;

Re: Europe's $24T Breakup with Visa and Mastercard Has Begun

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That works until you are speaking with people who literally ask why our city is deciding so much stupid stuff. Recall average intelligence and how many people are dumber than that. The media shape perception but they don't help with critical thinking...

When the media say "Pentagon" is attacking Iran, there's just no level of mental acrobatics you can do to ever arrive at the idea that the actual physical Pentagon building is growing arms and legs and traveling to Iran. If you truly believe this is a real problem then you need to turn off your internet and touch grass.

...that's nothing to do with my comment. Have a good day.

Re: Europe's $24T Breakup with Visa and Mastercard Has Begun

#968
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Whatever they come up with, I hope it doesn't tie you to a Google or Apple smartphone. Can't we have cards for this? In Spain, for example, to use Bizum, you need either an Android/iOS smartphone (and for the Android case, as you use it from your bank's app, it would typically require some Google security assurances - so no Huawei phones allowed, for example) or logging into your bank's website and use Bizum from the…

I use my credit and debit cards the same way today as I did before smartphones existed. I never invited the extra surveillance middleman of Google/Apple into my transactions. And the convenience of tapping or swiping a plastic card is simpler than using my phone anyway. Is this not possible in Spain?

> I use my credit and debit cards the same way today as I did before smartphones existed.

How exactly are you doing that? with 3D Secure online credit card transactions now require confirmation in the mobile app (or via OTP sent by SMS, but this is being phased out, as it is insecure)

Re: Europe's $24T Breakup with Visa and Mastercard Has Begun

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Oh it is good. It has its drawbacks (like everything else) but it's quite the de facto now and UPI Lite ( a wallet not on individual apps but on UPI/NCPI f/w itself) had made it even better.

There's so much trust / dependency on NPCI at this point but I recently learned that it's not a public entity and thus excluded from the transparency acts such as RTI. I hope the EU does better!

I am not sure which country you are from but is the term “accountability” even relevant in India anymore? It’s been non existent since more than a decade.

I was just commenting on how good, widespread it is and no it is not the doing of the current Govt. It just gained traction during a massive f up of the current Govt.

Re: Europe's $24T Breakup with Visa and Mastercard Has Begun

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Oh it is good. It has its drawbacks (like everything else) but it's quite the de facto now and UPI Lite ( a wallet not on individual apps but on UPI/NCPI f/w itself) had made it even better.

My friend says even the poorest Indians use it. You can buy vegetables at a farmer's market, and just scan a QR code.

It’s everywhere. On the hills, on the boats (yeah I paid for roasted peanuts on one but it was close to the shore), rural, urban, semi rural etc.
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