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Re: X offices raided in France as UK opens fresh investigation into Grok

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So France is raiding offices of US military contractor?

I know it's hard to grasp for you. But in France, french laws and jurisdiction applies, not those of the United States

It's not at all hard to grasp for me. I think it's great actually.

Re: X offices raided in France as UK opens fresh investigation into Grok

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God I hope so

You prefer those be shut down to the one run by a pedo who happens to be the richest person in the world and meddles in elections across the global personally with money?

Why not all 3?

Re: X offices raided in France as UK opens fresh investigation into Grok

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Schrödingers social network: It's somehow irrelevant but somehow "destablizies our democracy" ;)

Irrelevant to most ordinary people in the sense that few directly use it, but popular with the source of much of our discourse / culture. Think journalists, taste makers, meme creators etc.

Re: X offices raided in France as UK opens fresh investigation into Grok

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Good one. No platform ever should allow CSAM content. And the fact that they didn’t even care and haven’t want to spend money for implementing guardrails or moderation is deeply concerning. This has imho nothing to do with model censorship, but everything with allowing that kind of content on a platform

Agreed. For anyone curious, here's the UK report from the National Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Children (NSPCC) from 2023-2024. https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cze3p1j710ko Reports on sextortion, self-generated indecent images, and grooming via social media/messaging apps: Snapchat 54% Instagram 11% Facebook 7% WhatsApp 6-9% X 1-2%

Are those numbers in the article somewhere? From what I read it says that out of 7,062 cases, the platform was known for only 1,824. Then it says Snapchat accounts for 48% (not 54%). I don't see any other percentages.

Re: X offices raided in France as UK opens fresh investigation into Grok

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The right didn't give a shit about weed in the 80's or the 90's depending entirely upon who had it. When Bernhard Hugo Goetz shot four teenagers on an NYC subway in the 80s, his PCP-laced marijuana use and stash back at his apartment came up in both sets of trials in the 80s and later in the 90s. It was ignored (although not the alleged drug use of the teenagers) as Goetz was dubbed The Subway Vigilante and became a…

His victims? He was the victim. Shooting people who are robbing you (a detail you conveniently left out) is a good thing, which is why even a jury of NYC lefties acquitted him on the shooting charges. The only injustice here is that he did prison time for violating the clearly unconstitutional laws that required him to have a license for the gun. edit: > Canty would later testify that the victims were en route to ste…

> Shooting people who are robbing you

Check the civil trial transcripts, they were panhandling by multiple accounts.

> Each of the four youths .. was facing a trial or hearing on criminal charges at the time of the incident.

Minor stuff that was upgraded to a bench warrent after the shootings, ...

> Sounds like predators to me

That was how they were presented by much of the press until a good year after the first trial and Goetz's own description of his actions came out in the civile trial .. he one that awarded several million against him.

Thanks for providing a perfect foil for the comment about heavily politicized and media warped "justice" in the US.

Re: X offices raided in France as UK opens fresh investigation into Grok

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post #485

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This is like comparing the danger of a machine gun to that of a block of lead.

May be. We do have codified in law definition of machine gun which clearly separates it from a block of lead. What codified in law definitions are used here to separate photoshop from Grok in the context of those deepfakes and CSAM? Without such clear legal definitions going after Grok while not going after photoshop is just an act of political pressure.

Take a step back and look at what you’re defending, man.

Re: X offices raided in France as UK opens fresh investigation into Grok

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Having an issue with users uploading CSAM (a problem for every platform) is very different from giving them a tool to quickly and easily generate CSAM, with apparently little-to-no effort to prevent this from happening.

If the tool generates it automatically or spuriously, then yes. But if it is the users asking it to, then I'm not sure there is a big difference.

Well, its worth noting that with the nonconsensual porn, child and otherwise, it was generating X would often rapidly punish the user that posted the prompt, but leave the grok-generated content up. It wasn't an issue of not having control, it was an issue of how the control was used.

Re: X offices raided in France as UK opens fresh investigation into Grok

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I’m reminded of Lord Haw-Haw, an English-speaking Nazi propagandist during WW2 that garnered quite a bit of attention for his radio broadcasts. There’s an interesting tidbit that he gained quite a few listeners when he started releasing casualty information that the British government withheld to try to keep wartime-morale high. Lord Haw-Haw then tried to leverage that audience into a force of Nazi sympathy and a gen…

I would have thought that the Great Firewall of China would be a more obvious thing to be reminded of. Especially since there is no world war currently, yet, at least, and communication might help stop one. Also, Godwin's law, strangely.

Once there’s a fascist regime with ambitions of world domination that documents their horrors more thoroughly (and has their enemies document their horrors more thoroughly) than the Nazis then we can start referencing that regime instead.

Conveniently, at least in the US, WW2 is old enough to be “history” rather than “politics”, compared to Korea and Vietnam. Or, at least that’s the excuse I was given in AP US History when the curriculum suddenly ended at 1950. So WW2 will continue to be the most well-documented topic that we’re all educated enough about to collectively reference.

Trust me, I’d much rather speak plainly about the horrors of the atrocities that the US committed in the 20th century American but we’re not there yet because the people who grew up in the nation while it committed those atrocities still run the government and basically the nation in general.

Edit: also if it wasn’t obvious I was comparing Musk to Haw Haw. I don’t know if there is an equivalent for China

Re: X offices raided in France as UK opens fresh investigation into Grok

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post #485

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May be. We do have codified in law definition of machine gun which clearly separates it from a block of lead. What codified in law definitions are used here to separate photoshop from Grok in the context of those deepfakes and CSAM? Without such clear legal definitions going after Grok while not going after photoshop is just an act of political pressure.

Take a step back and look at what you’re defending, man.

i don't understand why you're defending CSAM creation in photoshop.
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