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Re: The Palantir app helping ICE raids in Minneapolis

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Post by blurbleblurble »

mlrtime wrote: post #944
blurbleblurble wrote: post #908

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Regardless, would you agree that we're watching a constitutional crisis unfold? The stability of case law is being completely undermined.

I won't defend certain current practices, you are trying to shoehorn me into a yes/no answer to fit me into a side. I won't play that game.

I'm not trying to fit you into a side, especially not politically. What I'm pushing back on specifically is any insinuation that this will just blow over. That to me is hypernormalization.

And it's not that "the administration as a whole" wants devastation, but study up on what Stephen Miller wants.

Re: The Palantir app helping ICE raids in Minneapolis

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Post by lcnPylGDnU4H9OF »

BuckRogers wrote: post #955
lcnPylGDnU4H9OF wrote: post #951

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This is just more of the same. These things you accuse others of are simply your own insecurities. Every single word, at least in these last two comments.

Who here has said anything of substance in response to anything I've said? Not you. You're not countering anything I said, offering no new information, not even offering a counterpoint to anything. Just pure ad hominins. Yes, it's absolutely pathetic and not uncommon anymore. You're just neffing and signaling that you dislike my position and views. Too bad. Talking about insecurity. That's the only "more of the same"…

> Who here has said anything of substance in response to anything I've said?

What have you written that is substantive? It appears your comments in this thread are all meta descriptions of themselves. That is what I refer to as a "psychological projection".

Re: The Palantir app helping ICE raids in Minneapolis

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Post by BuckRogers »

lcnPylGDnU4H9OF wrote: post #962
BuckRogers wrote: post #955

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Who here has said anything of substance in response to anything I've said? Not you. You're not countering anything I said, offering no new information, not even offering a counterpoint to anything. Just pure ad hominins. Yes, it's absolutely pathetic and not uncommon anymore. You're just neffing and signaling that you dislike my position and views. Too bad. Talking about insecurity. That's the only "more of the same"…

> Who here has said anything of substance in response to anything I've said? What have you written that is substantive? It appears your comments in this thread are all meta descriptions of themselves. That is what I refer to as a "psychological projection".

I said more of substance here than you for sure. At least I had a point. You’re just attacking the messenger. Totally useless.

Re: The Palantir app helping ICE raids in Minneapolis

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Post by lcnPylGDnU4H9OF »

BuckRogers wrote: post #963
lcnPylGDnU4H9OF wrote: post #962

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Who here has said anything of substance in response to anything I've said? What have you written that is substantive? It appears your comments in this thread are all meta descriptions of themselves. That is what I refer to as a "psychological projection".

I said more of substance here than you for sure. At least I had a point. You’re just attacking the messenger. Totally useless.

> I said more of substance here than you for sure. At least I had a point.

Your comments do not make any substantive points. One observation with regard to this is that, when asked for anything you've written in this thread that is substantive, you write only that it exists rather than offering said substance for review.

> You’re just attacking the messenger.

My comments are not about you but instead about the things you've posted and your seeming behavior while doing so. I have no quarrel with you.

Re: The Palantir app helping ICE raids in Minneapolis

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Post by kahrl »

reaperducer wrote: post #551
embedding-shape wrote: post #315

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If all those things happened in Spain where I live, I'm 99% we'd have actual riots on the streets, together with a lot of other unpleasant-but-needed civilian action, until things got better, like we've done in the past (sometimes maybe went slightly overboard with it, but better than nothing). Why are Americans so passive? You're literally transitioning into straight up authoritarianism, yet where are the riots? How…

I'm 99% we'd have actual riots on the streets A riot is exactly what they want. This is all about getting locals upset enough to break things, so the administration can justify sending in the military. Rioting just gives them what they want. This is a tried-and-true tactic employed by thugs throughout history.

Works for a while until we string up said thugs.

Re: The Palantir app helping ICE raids in Minneapolis

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Post by unethical_ban »

Amezarak wrote: post #960
unethical_ban wrote: post #958

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I highly disagree with your analysis. And yes, some of my perspective is based on the ideology that the ICE agents are largely incompetent, racist, hateful human beings led by people of the same quality. You are correct, she didn't get shot in the head, she was shot in the chest and lived for 20 minutes while she was denied medical attention. Any resistance to tyranny will involve disobedience of varying levels of se…

> shouldn't have issued conflicting orders There were no conflicting orders, unless you mean ICE telling her to get out of the car while Good's partner yells "drive, baby drive!" > shouldn't have gotten in front of her car, It certainly would have been smarter for the ICE agent on a personal welfare level, but the idea that the cops have to leave you an escape route is silly. It's policy mostly for police safety; fro…

>There were no conflicting orders

Factually incorrect. Now then,

It got a lot of attention because it is death, because it was avoidable, because it was the responsibility of ICE to make it avoidable, and because popular tension breaks at unpredictable moments. Hers happened to be on video from a thousand different angles.

Your rhetoric waffles between support of the actions of the authorities, and you seem to drift between satire and reality. "I'm no lover of cops" while you victim blame a woman for getting killed.

>I think it's pretty clear that anyone who is out protesting and resisting the incompetent, hateful, and violent thugs of a fascist regime should absolutely, 100% expect to be killed

Given the amount of energy you are expending to defending the actions of officers in this instance, I assume you are a supporter of this administration and their actions.

Re: The Palantir app helping ICE raids in Minneapolis

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Post by staplers »

ecshafer wrote: post #272
staplers wrote: post #187

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You already lost your own bet. "A pair of armed and masked men in tactical gear stood guard at ballot drop boxes in Mesa, Ariz., on Oct. 21 as people began early voting for the 2022 midterm elections." They might be "off-duty" but this is during Biden's admin. They're immensely more emboldened now and local LE will absolutely not enforce any laws restricting this. Source: https://www.cnbc.com/2022/11/06/election-offi…

So the goal post moved from ICE or Federal agents being stationed at polling stations to any individual at all?

The goalposts moved when ICE's hiring standards fell to "any individual at all".

Re: The Palantir app helping ICE raids in Minneapolis

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Post by cies »

biophysboy wrote: post #118
cies wrote: post #93

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The govt contract with them should be voided. That's the way. But in the US no one believes they can meaningfully influence govt for real issues. And they are right. Sure you can get them to paint a rainbow zebra crossing. /s But not stop/prevent a (civil) war. Democracy dies and lobbyism (what we call corruption in "modern western democracies" -- because we dont do corruption, that's for poor countries!) takes over…

In the meantime, between now and the elections, what is a good method for deterring tech people from working for ICE? They are administering an authoritarian state today .

You don't.

As a vegan I want to deter people from working in slaughter houses etc. I feel it's urgent. But they make their living.

As an intactivist I want people to stop genital mutilation of minors: both male and female. I feel it's urgent. But those baby cutting doctors and "priests" make their living.

That's why it is so easy to make a war when people are hungry. You need little money to convince them to turn to the dark side.

Re: The Palantir app helping ICE raids in Minneapolis

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Post by Amezarak »

unethical_ban wrote: post #966
Amezarak wrote: post #960

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> shouldn't have issued conflicting orders There were no conflicting orders, unless you mean ICE telling her to get out of the car while Good's partner yells "drive, baby drive!" > shouldn't have gotten in front of her car, It certainly would have been smarter for the ICE agent on a personal welfare level, but the idea that the cops have to leave you an escape route is silly. It's policy mostly for police safety; fro…

>There were no conflicting orders Factually incorrect. Now then, It got a lot of attention because it is death, because it was avoidable, because it was the responsibility of ICE to make it avoidable, and because popular tension breaks at unpredictable moments. Hers happened to be on video from a thousand different angles. Your rhetoric waffles between support of the actions of the authorities, and you seem to drift…

> Factually incorrect

Feel free to post a video showing the conflicting orders. As best I can determine, this was just early (and very typical) misinformation. I could be wrong!

> responsibility of ICE to make it avoidable

I disagree. I don't see that LEOs have some sort of moral responsibility to make sure they aren't standing where they can be run over. People have a moral responsibility to not drive recklessly.

> "I'm no lover of cops" while you victim blame a woman for getting killed.

It is certainly an unfortunate situation, but if you can set aside your moral outrage, looking at the chain of cause-and-effect, she definitely took actions that had a very high probability of leading to being shot. Do you disagree? I don't see how looking at this shooting from a moral framing is sensible or likely to be productive in any way regardless of which side "wins" and is able to execute policy based on it.

> It got a lot of attention because it is death, because it was avoidable, because it was the responsibility of ICE to make it avoidable, and because popular tension breaks at unpredictable moments

See, I don't think it's actually unpredictable at all. There are very good reasons there aren't mass riots in Canada over police not in any particular danger shooting up someone driving a stolen truck, and there are for Americans ICE shooting a woman who, at best, disobeyed clear instructions and operated her vehicle with a reckless disregard for human life.

Re: The Palantir app helping ICE raids in Minneapolis

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Post by libraryatnight »

nerdjon wrote: post #650
libraryatnight wrote: post #162

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"I am all for criticizing and pointing fingers at trump and this entire administration" I don't believe you or you wouldn't have bothered to muddy the water in the face of repeated violence and dehumanization.

We get absolutely nowhere if we just blindly blame trump for everything. All it does is give the other side ammunication to paint us as just “anti trump” when they can poke holes in our information. We have to be better than them. We have to have all of the information and actually inform people instead of the half and twisted “truths” that is all that ever spew from this administration. It doesn’t change or diminish…

Your reply brings to mind the phrase "useful idiot"
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