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Re: Ozempic is changing the foods Americans buy

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Post by dwd »

sjw987 wrote: post #936
dwd wrote: post #913

Been following a whole food diet for a few years now, with one simple rule: avoid anything pre-made that has preservative or additives. Everything is made as much as possible from scratch with fresh, frozen or dried ingredients. The only downside is most fresh ingredients need to be used within a few days (lack of preservatives/additives) - which means often making a stew using anything left-over that needs to be eat…

This is the most sensible attitude I've seen people express that has led to meaningful weight loss, maintenance and as far as we can see across large timespans, lifestyle change. It's incredibly hard to gain weight by eating whole or minimally processed foods. The destruction and recombination of foods (and their food matrix) into ultra processed foods is one of the driving causes behind people eating more because th…

It is very hard to gain weight when paired with some daily cardio and/or weights, even when you are eating to build up more muscle mass.

Eating healthy snacks through the day: handfuls of oily nuts (peanuts, cashews, macadamias), full fat smoothies and a lot of protein doesn't shift the scales.

We still end up buying some packed and transported food: Frozen blueberries from Chile, Spanish olive oil, dried herbs like tumeric, paprika etc but most meat/fruit/vegetables is sourced locally.

Re: Ozempic is changing the foods Americans buy

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Post by borroka »

mmooss wrote: post #959
borroka wrote: post #951

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A most surprising remark. Dressing with intention does not require any particular willpower, just some desire, intention, a bit of time, and a taste that may develop over time. Avoiding doomscrolling is not that hard. The first few days are usually hard when we want to break a habit that's hanging around like a terrible smell, but after that, it is smooth sailing. One can play victim not forever but for a long time:…

These are all empty claim, including a grand social theory. I'm not even sure what you're talking about for 2010-2015. You really need to be drowning in yourself to believe it all and then, on top of it, to judge other people. People don't share your priorities or beliefs. Maybe that's why they act differently. > Avoiding doomscrolling is not that hard. If you mean addiction to social media, that's empirically not tr…

What are the empty claims?

It is simple logic that dressing with intention is not hard. But let's define 'hard' with an example: running a marathon under 3 hours is hard for the general population; that is, it is an activity that, despite desire, planning, and effort, is beyond reach for many.

Dressing appropriately, such as not going out in PJs or with a mangled, overused, stained T-shirt or in flip-flops (apart from the particular cases I need to include, otherwise I am marginalizing people who don't have the resources to buy a 3 dollar shirt or refuse to clean due to some disorders included in the DSM-5) is not hard.

Avoiding doomscrolling is certainly not hard; one, given sufficient desire and a recognition of their inability to stop looking at other people's lives, could just delete IG, snap, X, or whatever.

Finally, people can do what they want, like going out semi-naked and without showering for 3 weeks, farting in public, which has become an unfortunate common circumstance, doomscrolling until their eyes are a bright red, or eating until they explode because sugar is "addictive".

But I like encouraging people not to live their lives like defenseless victims of circumstances.

Re: Ozempic is changing the foods Americans buy

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Post by borroka »

mmooss wrote: post #957
borroka wrote: post #864

There is a mix of culture and food at play here. Most people, left to their own devices, without cultural pressure, are lazy, unproductive, and slovenly. We can see that with food: as soon as the shaming of people for being fat weakened, as it happened primarily in the US and then in the Western world at large, people started to indulge without guardrails. We can see that with clothing and appearance: people started…

> Most people, left to their own devices, without cultural pressure, are lazy, unproductive, and slovenly. I disagree strongly. I think most people do the best they can. When they are emotionally overwhelmed, they withdraw. Doing things you dislike, such as dressing certain ways, is not slovenliness. Your opinion is meaningful only to you (and those who choose to share it), it's not a standard. Also, what data is the…

Of course I judge, and I expect other people to judge me. It is what we do every day: we assess, evaluate, and draw conclusions. What people have problems with is not to be judged per se, but judged negatively: "oh, please stop judging me as a brilliant, awesome, good-looking person!" is something that, in fact, nobody never said.

The way that the comment I am answering comes across is quite reactive in nature and too forceful in tone. Nowhere I said that people should dress in a suit or sundress or that they should have visible abs. I do, but that is just my preference.

I just expressed my opinion that, when left to their own devices, people are often apathetic. Or maybe, as the writer of the comment suggested, they (some, to be clear, but in my opinion, too many) choose to be 400 pounds, not showering, dressing in PJs, or doomscroll, because that's the way they are happy.

Good for them, they surely live a life of fewer preoccupations.

Re: Ozempic is changing the foods Americans buy

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Post by mmooss »

borroka wrote: post #962
mmooss wrote: post #959

Earlier quoted context omitted.

These are all empty claim, including a grand social theory. I'm not even sure what you're talking about for 2010-2015. You really need to be drowning in yourself to believe it all and then, on top of it, to judge other people. People don't share your priorities or beliefs. Maybe that's why they act differently. > Avoiding doomscrolling is not that hard. If you mean addiction to social media, that's empirically not tr…

What are the empty claims? It is simple logic that dressing with intention is not hard. But let's define 'hard' with an example: running a marathon under 3 hours is hard for the general population; that is, it is an activity that, despite desire, planning, and effort, is beyond reach for many. Dressing appropriately, such as not going out in PJs or with a mangled, overused, stained T-shirt or in flip-flops (apart fro…

> What are the empty claims?

Almost all of them - you have no evidence, just your subjective beliefs stated as facts. There is a great, wide world outside your head.

> It is simple logic that dressing with intention is not hard.

I don't see logic in it. For many people, such as those on the spectrum and those emotionally exhausted by other demands, it is hard. We have emotional limits.

> appropriately

You are defining appropriately. You are free to follow your own ideas, and others are free to follow theirs. Many think your 'appropriate dress' is a waste of time and money, and an attempt distract from merit - putting lipstick on a pig. If someone does good or bad, works well or not, many think dress is irrelevant.

> Avoiding doomscrolling is certainly not hard

See my prior comment, which has an objective factual basis.

> farting in public, which has become an unfortunate common circumstance

huh? That's a pretty wild claim.

> I like encouraging people not to live their lives like defenseless victims of circumstances.

They are not doing that; they are living their own lives their own way, for the most part.

Re: Ozempic is changing the foods Americans buy

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Post by mmooss »

borroka wrote: post #963
mmooss wrote: post #957

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Most people, left to their own devices, without cultural pressure, are lazy, unproductive, and slovenly. I disagree strongly. I think most people do the best they can. When they are emotionally overwhelmed, they withdraw. Doing things you dislike, such as dressing certain ways, is not slovenliness. Your opinion is meaningful only to you (and those who choose to share it), it's not a standard. Also, what data is the…

Of course I judge, and I expect other people to judge me. It is what we do every day: we assess, evaluate, and draw conclusions. What people have problems with is not to be judged per se, but judged negatively: "oh, please stop judging me as a brilliant, awesome, good-looking person!" is something that, in fact, nobody never said. The way that the comment I am answering comes across is quite reactive in nature and to…

> Of course I judge, and I expect other people to judge me. It is what we do every day: we assess, evaluate, and draw conclusions.

Not 'of course' - it's a choice, like the other ones you talk about. This choice isn't a meaningless subjective preference like clothing, but one that results in errors and harm to other people. We are responsible for our errors and for preventing them - claiming the error is inevitable is to make yourself a victim.

I don't judge people unless I have to - it's not hard to learn, especially if you learn from and are responsible for your mistakes; I didn't have to make that mistake many times. And that has been the approach of most wise people I know. There is no other way to prevent those errors: Lacking godlike omniscience, we can't read minds or observe more than a very little; we are prone to serious errors. There's a reason courts and science require objective evidence and strict process; truth is very hard. 'Judge not' goes back a couple thousand years.

When I have to judge - for example, when evaluating job performance - I am very aware of my own limitations. Otherwise misplaced confidence causes even more mistakes.

Re: Ozempic is changing the foods Americans buy

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Post by sfn42 »

mmooss wrote: post #956
sfn42 wrote: post #918

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Yeah, beliefs commonly held by people who would rather make excuses than improve their lives.

It's just baseless nonsense. Doctors and researchers say otherwise.

And you still haven't found the time to show me any of them.

Re: Ozempic is changing the foods Americans buy

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Post by sfn42 »

mmooss wrote: post #954
sfn42 wrote: post #942

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Slow metabolism is a bit of a myth. By that I mean that it's not strictly wrong to say someone has a slow metabolism, but metabolism is an expression of your activity level so what you're really saying is the person is sedentary. If the person starts being more active their metabolism will necessarily increase. So, slow metabolism is not a disease, it's not a genetic disorder, it is simply a result of the fact that s…

What is all that based on?

Knowledge and understanding.

Re: Ozempic is changing the foods Americans buy

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Post by dwaite »

Bombthecat wrote: post #887
anon7000 wrote: post #553

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And crucially, many of those bad foods can be pretty addictive. They’re quite literally engineered so that you want to eat a lot of them and buy more. So it’s not surprising many people struggle to change that habit when the food ecosystem is working against you. Junk food both tastes better and is easier to eat than home-cooking a very healthy meal. You’re not exactly set up for success here.

I wonder if we will create a Glp for gaming, they are also addicting.( And created to get you addicted) What a world we live in...

You mean Opiod Antagonists? They already exist

Re: Ozempic is changing the foods Americans buy

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Post by dwaite »

DrBazza wrote: post #752
subpixel wrote: post #551

> It's insane to me that so many people need these to get off the processed foods killing them in the US The American diet is insane, full stop. However, I've just begun a GLP-1 regimen to address a willpower problem, not a nutritional problem. I'm not quite young anymore and have given lots of other approaches a shot over the years, but have persistently failed to achieve a weight that is not a threat to my health.…

The American shopping experience is weird as well. There's a spectrum of supermarkets. Versus the UK, any US supermarket I've ever visited (I lived there for a couple of years) seemed to have far less fresh food, especially vegetables and fruit, but stuff in boxes was piled high. Then again, the UK vs. Spain or France is weird, by the same metric, they have even more fresh food than us in supermarkets, and much less…

Less fresh food? Or a similar amount, in a larger building?

Fresh food spoils quickly and often goes around the perimeter as a draw to get people to navigate the whole store.

Shelf stable and frozen foods last much longer, and are what they try to fill the middle of the store with. This can be deceptive in terms of feeling equivalent - all stores are going to have ketchup, but one may have room for two kinds and another has room for 20.

Re: Ozempic is changing the foods Americans buy

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Post by Bombthecat »

dwaite wrote: post #968
Bombthecat wrote: post #887

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wonder if we will create a Glp for gaming, they are also addicting.( And created to get you addicted) What a world we live in...

You mean Opiod Antagonists? They already exist

Do they get prescribed for gaming addiction?
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