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Microsoft is officially sending employees back to the office

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Re: Microsoft is officially sending employees back to the office

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When I solve problems, I need text, I need diagrams, I need demos (i.e. screen sharing). I don’t need faces, unless I’m interrogating somebody.

> I .. I .. I.. I.. I.. In all seriousness: you've outlined what you need. Perhaps you should reflect on what any collaborator needs.

Our team is doing just fine, thanks for taking interest.

I will not convince you, but there are a lot of people like me, who can operate productively without observing faces.

Re: Microsoft is officially sending employees back to the office

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At $org, we too are undertaking a mandatory RTO order, enforced with door access logs. People are up in arms, particularly those in our smaller locales, where the offices we have are perfunctory at best. The rationale is the usual one: collaboration, watercooler chat, unspecific evidence / "research" about productivity (that we are told definitely exists, but is yet to be shared). I remain baffled by executives' obse…

It's because C-level people are extraverted and believe in torturing others to please themselves. As a concept it fits perfectly with the reasoning that you should earn ten times what another employee at your company does.

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There's just one solution: unionize. As you can see, your bosses already did.

Can you unionize your offshore teams? Oh wait, that was one of the reasons to move your jobs overseas...

Wouldn't they unionise in their own country?

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Lobby for immigration support from companies, and against any politician/party that espouses any rhetoric (anti-H1B for eg) against legal immigration.

Speaking as an immigrant who is now a US citizen, I don't think this is particularly relevant. As far as immigration support from companies goes, Big Tech already offers it, so the real beef is with the federal government - and a trade or company union is hardly the best venue to have that fight. I would first and foremost want a union that protects my interests as a worker against my employer's encroachment, and it…

Congrats. But the top priority for a non-citizen immigrant would be protection, above employer encroachment. Notice how this played out when twitter fired 85%, and who stayed back.

Unions being political players will have to take a side - and in the current climate this makes unions a non starter, since majority can never align.

Re: Microsoft is officially sending employees back to the office

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What? Around Dell campus in Austin is a Home Depot, a hotel, a Chili’s, a strip mall with various shopping outlets and what not. You can walk there from the front door. The idea is that all the employees can walk there for lunch, they will buy things on the way home, it’s just extending economic foot traffic to the tenants of Michael Dell’s commercial properties. Now they won’t go out of business! More money for Mr D…

That’s absurd - the guy’s worth $130B, you think he cares about the not-even-pocket-change that would come from owning the land that a Twin Peaks is on? Dell’s RTO is purely a silent downsizing.

What if I told you we were both right?

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A big difference between feudalism and modern societies is that in feudalism, you expect to earn much less than the value of the land you inherit and pass on (or the custom or right of your family farming the land) whereas in modern societies most people will earn much more in lifetime earnings than they would inherit or pass on. This results in far more social mobility and much more freedom in praxis. I don’t think…

There was no market in land, so land could not have a monetary value in feudalism proper.

Not having access to land you had a right to farm (and therefore needing to be a tenant farmer of some kind or – even worse – a wage labourer) was pretty bad for a peasant. It was also hard/impossible to escape from on the back of one’s labour. It is in this sense that land (or associated rights) was worth significantly more than one could make through labour.

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Back in the real world, "Microsoft Layoffs Continue Into 5th Consecutive Month": https://www.seattletimes.com/business/microsoft/microsoft-la... There's no reason to covertly plot convoluted "backdoor layoff" schemes when they're openly doing layoffs on a regular basis. "Backdoor layoffs" is a silly meme loved only by the sort of people prone to falling for conspiracy theories.

On the contrary, if anything, it's evidence in support of the point. It shows that Microsoft desires to trim its employee rolls. Now if you do a proper layoff, you have to pay people quite a lot of money. So if you can make at least some of them leave on their own, that's substantial savings.

"Hey, let's increase our operating costs by over a hundred million per year _forever_ by doing RTO for a one time savings of a few million in severance packages of people who leave voluntarily." said nobody ever. Thank you for highlighting again how comedic these conspiracy theories are.

Re: Microsoft is officially sending employees back to the office

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Do you live in Socal, like the person is implying? You make >500k a year and still live in a pretty small house then? And if so, like basically no one in the united states?

> Do you live in Socal, like the person is implying? Apologies, I saw "A West Coast software engineering career [...and...] a house from which you could reasonably commute to it" and assumed they meant San Francisco, which is accurate for me (I live in Berkeley, and my office is in the FiDi of SF). I had thought that the Bay Area was both more expensive and more tech-centric than SoCal, but I could be wrong there. >…

An American middle class house in San Mateo or Santa Clara County will run you about $2 million, or ~$140k-160k/year. The take-home pay for $300k is about $180k.

Alameda County is cheaper because the commute to South Bay and to S.F. destinations not near BART is unreasonable. If you’re willing to rule out those jobs you might be able to get away closer to $1.5m at $120k/year.

I’m guessing you bought with a 3% mortgage and before the COVID asset price takeoff.

Another way to look at it is that for each $100m of company value created, you’re looking at perhaps $20m of employee equity, or about 10 employees being able to buy homes (before taxes) if the equity were distributed evenly.

Re: Microsoft is officially sending employees back to the office

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I have worked for 7 years in the office and 7 years remote, and for me the 7 years remote were not as enjoyable. I like the routines and processes that I adhere to more when I have a separate work location; I find it more difficult to adhere to those same processes when I can roll out of bed and walk to my computer half asleep and zone in on work. For example, I find it much more likely I’ll consistently shower, get…

Great, then you don't have to work remote. Your preferences are orthogonal to the freedom other people have or don't have to make the choices that are appropriate for them.

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