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Valve confirms credit card companies pressured it to delist certain adult games

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Re: Valve confirms credit card companies pressured it to delist certain adult games

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Payments companies successfully got valve to stop purveying weapons grade incest/child-porn/rape themed smut that is barely a game? Nabokov was a great author and Lolita was the work of a great author who turned his pen/typewriter to a detestable subject leading to innumerable questions about art. These guys are just z-graders who get off on non-consensual sexual interactions involving children. Valve absolutely shou…

I don't know how bad these specific games were, but meanwhile, OnlyFans pornographers continue to use sites like Twitch to advertise their work to teens, and Pornhub continues to operate, despite claims that they profit from sex trafficking amongst other things ( https://traffickinghubpetition.com/ ) Seems strange to go after obscure videogames (which presumably don't feature real human beings) in this way. Unless th…

Most of your comment I agree with, if Visa has this power they should be using it against people involved in human trafficking. But:

> which presumably don't feature real human beings

I don't really care. As soon as you've created something people will pleasure themselves to you've created the negative feedback loop on the pleasure but the positive feedback loop on the real thing IMO.

Re: Valve confirms credit card companies pressured it to delist certain adult games

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Abrahamic religion is prudish about sex none of the pagan or Buddhism is prudish.

Buddhism literally teaches celibacy. Mostly for monks but if you get serious about your practice the advice is always to become celibate in order to make progress. It makes sense as you're trying to remove your desires.

Buddhism teaches moderation in what you do, of course you can interpret it as removal of desire If you let said desire be above you.

Re: Valve confirms credit card companies pressured it to delist certain adult games

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Say what you want about crypto, but it does solve this problem at least.

It doesn't "solve" the problem, it's just not regulated the same way. If governments decided to extend the same regulations to crypto transactions, what recourse would a person have?

The difference is that a government or company can't ban you from using a cryptocurrency. They can only make it more difficult by banning your access to certain exchanges or something similar.

Re: Valve confirms credit card companies pressured it to delist certain adult games

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Link for the petition and its signers. https://www.collectiveshout.org/open-letter-to-payment-proce... https://www.heise.de/en/news/Steam-Payment-providers-force-V...

Reverse petition where?

https://www.change.org/p/tell-mastercard-visa-activist-group... Somebody put one up, excellent.

Re: Valve confirms credit card companies pressured it to delist certain adult games

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post #937

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There are still taboos even for pixels on a screen, even for video games. It's a good thing. There should be. Perhaps you're just saying that you're mostly comfortable with the depiction of some forms of violence in some contexts. But what about other scenarios though? Would you feel the same about a game where the player runs around raping women, or capturing and lynching escaped slaves? It's just pixels!

> Would you feel the same about a game where the player runs around raping women, or capturing and lynching escaped slaves? It's just pixels! If we are already okay with mass murder in video games, then absolutely yes.

I'd go the other way and say mass murder shouldn't be acceptable in video games either. Not every country does allow that.

Re: Valve confirms credit card companies pressured it to delist certain adult games

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The argument seems centered on content though. BG3 is fairly tame. Outlast trials has you mutilate genitals and has people threatening to rape you frequently.

If you think they should delist it then by all means, raise a petition or bring it to their attention. Perhaps the activist group simply has not had the resources to target this particular title yet. You already know VISA and/or Mastercard will respond if an activist group raises enough of a concern so what's stopping you? Ah right, you think if they got one game removed on a petition, they should somehow also be abl…

Mouthwashing just got delisted

Re: Valve confirms credit card companies pressured it to delist certain adult games

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I get the well-founded distrust of dietary supplement companies (the OG snake oil salesmen), but they've started banning kava, a completely legal food. So... not dietary supplement companies , but a particular food that is completely legal and regulated as a food by the FDA. You have a business selling food? Are you a bar? A restaurant? Well if you start selling this particular food we don't like, you will be debanke…

It has nothing to do with legality.

That's the point. In a world in which citizens are finding it harder and harder to engage in commerce without the use of these payment processors, we need to make it harder for them to deny service without just cause.

You argued that it was due to the prevalence of chargebacks but they already have a fair solution for that (banning vendors or simply requiring vendors to secure their accounts with collateral to manage that risk).

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