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A $20k American-made electric pickup with no paint, no stereo, no screen

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Re: A $20k American-made electric pickup with no paint, no stereo, no screen

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Post by DidYaWipe »

phonon wrote: post #807
DidYaWipe wrote: post #796

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What went wrong is that the federal government didn't build or legislate a national charging infrastructure to match the scale of the interstate highway system. They could have strong-armed the states into it with a combination of funding the construction and the way they mandated the 21 drinking age: by threatening to withhold highway funds.

They definitely tried... $7.5 Billion worth. It's on pause now :-( https://www.govtech.com/transportation/federal-funding-for-e...

I don't think they actually tried. They created a fund... and then did nothing to implement the intended result.

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Post by DidYaWipe »

voidfunc wrote: post #812
DidYaWipe wrote: post #796

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What went wrong is that the federal government didn't build or legislate a national charging infrastructure to match the scale of the interstate highway system. They could have strong-armed the states into it with a combination of funding the construction and the way they mandated the 21 drinking age: by threatening to withhold highway funds.

> They could have strong-armed the states into it with a combination of funding the construction and the way they mandated the 21 drinking age: by threatening to withhold highway funds. Yea let's give the federal government more power. That's going so well right now.

NATIONAL-scale projects are exactly what the federal government should do. I specifically referred to the Eisenhower interstate-highway system. Those are the kind of grand undertakings that transformed our country, and which the current administration can't even conceive... let alone articulate or propose.

Read about it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interstate_Highway_System

Re: A $20k American-made electric pickup with no paint, no stereo, no screen

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Post by Marsymars »

EvanAnderson wrote: post #389
ryandrake wrote: post #96

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> - Lack of a mobile app. Minimalist design is great, but I still want an app to manage charging and be alerted to any vehicle issues. Noooooooooo! No apps, please ! Finally a car not tethered to and dependent on your phone, and we already have our first request to app-ify it! EDIT: Ughhh, according to the video that another user posted, it looks like there's an app, and yes, "updates" go through it :( > - Lack of go…

> Noooooooooo! No apps, please! I wish devices could have web servers and web-based UI rather than thick "apps" that end up rotting when device manufacturers arbitrarily decide that old software won't work anymore (cough, cough-- Apple-- cough, cough). I know we can't because "security", no end-to-end over the Internet anymore, etc. >sigh It seems like we've engineered the networking and software ecosystem to promote…

A web server and UI is much “thicker” than a REST API. The problem is that the API used to talk to the app isn’t open to the owner.

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Post by ramesh31 »

victorbjorklund wrote: post #201
ramesh31 wrote: post #68

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>"If this can’t compete head to head (no tariffs or other import restrictions) with BYD and the like, then I don’t know why one would get excited." Would you prefer our roads flooded with cheap Chinese EVs that are the automotive equivalent of Shein hauls? Protectionism has its place in certain areas, and I would say building a thriving domestic EV industry that isn't beholden to a single weirdo is one of them.

Do you think that the rest of the world needs to protect itself from Tesla then and slap tariffs on any Tesla cars exported?

>"Do you think that the rest of the world needs to protect itself from Tesla then and slap tariffs on any Tesla cars exported?"

If it were a stated policy goal of said country to develop their own indigenous EV production at scale, then yes. The same the US did for 30 years after WWII to develop its own auto industry.

The era of dumping mass amounts of cheap "good enough" products on the global market, made entirely possible by the ignored and externalized costs of dumping trillions of tons of CO2 into the atmosphere via oceanic shipping, is coming to a close.

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Post by more_corn »

cryptoegorophy wrote: post #947
theshrike79 wrote: post #828

And the worst thing is that Elon could've been a living legend by building/funding colleges and schools focused on the tech his companies need, software development, robotics etc. Or even given out million dollar scholarships for the very top students. And he still would've been worth over 250 billion easily. Instead he chose to buy the president and start "optimising" the government with AI.

I think we would’ve lived in a different world if Elon didn’t use twitter. We might have actually landed on Mars already.

Twitter board should have allowed him to back out of the deal when he asked.

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Post by beAbU »

mikrotikker wrote: post #843
herbst wrote: post #840

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Within only a few months I see more Chinese Electric cars than Tesla (or us cars generally) on swiss streets. Depending on what you are looking for they are WAY cheaper than comparable cars.

No way I'd trust them. When you crash them or they have a battery fault, the doors lock you inside before the battery catches fire. Many videos of this happening inside China with one recent event in the West.

Can you share some of those videos here please?

Re: A $20k American-made electric pickup with no paint, no stereo, no screen

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mapt wrote: post #924
theshrike79 wrote: post #828

And the worst thing is that Elon could've been a living legend by building/funding colleges and schools focused on the tech his companies need, software development, robotics etc. Or even given out million dollar scholarships for the very top students. And he still would've been worth over 250 billion easily. Instead he chose to buy the president and start "optimising" the government with AI.

There's a question about his actual goals in government. He's an ambitious person. And AI enables a degree of surveillance state that we find it difficult to even begin to imagine. All the logistical difficulties of something like Orwell's 1984, of the Stasi having 1/3 of Berlin on the books as informants against the other 2/3, go away completely. We have more cameras than ever. Every person gets to enjoy the kind of…

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Post by potato3732842 »

tzs wrote: post #795
cco wrote: post #731

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I'll do you one better, car headlights should never be off while the motor is running. Just like motorcycles since the 70s (maybe 80s?). No switch at all, ignition on, headlights on, period.

Personally I feel like cars with headlights in the daytime on days with good visibility can be too noticeable. I find myself giving them too much attention because they stand out more in my visual field. When the oncoming cars do not have headlights on I find it easier to give them just enough attention to see that they are behaving normally leaving more attention to devote to things other than oncoming cars.

>Personally I feel like cars with headlights in the daytime on days with good visibility can be too noticeable. I find myself giving them too much attention because they stand out more in my visual field.

Especially the cars with the projectors that bounce around.

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Post by mixmastamyk »

gniv wrote: post #938
torginus wrote: post #832

I have said this and will reiterate - building an 'afforable' EV is impossible with the current level of technology - by which I mean a vehicle that competes on price with affordable ICE vehicles, and doesn't make compromises that would make it impractical to own as the only car. There are $20k cars with infotainment, bodypaint and probably a lot more creature comforts than this thing. Also this thing has a 150 mile…

Why is this? We've been told that the cost of batteries is in freefall for years now. Why aren't they competitive yet with ICE, even if they are heavier?

It’s a process happening over time. Why the grandparent’s comment will age horribly in only five years.

I remember similar comments about digital cameras shortly after Y2k. A dozen years later it was already hard to use anything else.

Read the innovator’s dilemma for a full understanding of the process.

Re: A $20k American-made electric pickup with no paint, no stereo, no screen

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Post by mixmastamyk »

Animats wrote: post #549

This is really useful. It's an upgraded kei truck. All the modern safety features - airbags, ABS, rear view camera, anti-collision braking. None of the frills - infotainment, connectivity, etc. Does it have air conditioning?

A video linked says yes.
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