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Re: Leaked data reveals Israeli govt campaign to remove pro-Palestine posts on Meta

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Post by aprilthird2021 »

HDThoreaun wrote: post #765
janalsncm wrote: post #25

So when the government pointed to the disproportionate support for Palestine on TikTok vs Instagram, it was actually because Instagram was suppressing it. It is ironic. https://x.com/hawleymo/status/1717505662601609401

Most americans support Israel in this conflict. Maybe the samples are just biased?

Not true at all. Talk to the average American, not an extremist of either side, and they want Israel to defend themselves and stop demanding billions from us then talking down to us and telling themselves we are easy to trick into giving them full support and money whenever they want

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Post by aprilthird2021 »

bawolff wrote: post #235

The missing part of this article: are the requests valid? Are they actually incitements to terrorism and violence or is it just a clamp down on criticism? The headline of the article implies the latter but the body does not provide any evidence for that. Like there is a war going on, a pretty nasty one at that. I would expect there to be quite a lot of incitement to violence related to that. I would expect the israel…

Ask anyone who works at Meta if they are valid, and they themselves will tell you, they don't really know. That should let you know how easy it would be for Israel to wield this tool in their favor. If they actually are doing it unfairly or not, we can never know since these posts are automatically taken down without human review.

Re: Leaked data reveals Israeli govt campaign to remove pro-Palestine posts on Meta

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Post by Braxton1980 »

Retric wrote: post #952
Braxton1980 wrote: post #950

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Their goals are similar. This isn't then your previous comment that the results are similar. Goals aren't nearly as important as results. Also, to dive deeper, what goals and how many are similar, and how similar? If you mean they are both supporting Israel, then yes, but the Democrats exert more control over their actions. For example Biden was limiting the bomb size that Israel could purchase and Trump removed tha…

> If you mean they are both supporting Israel I have been talking about the propaganda from each sides of the current conflict in Palestine. I thought this make that clear “in this conflict so it’s really interesting to see how each side is using propaganda” but I may have misunderstood what you meant by supporting Israel. > This isn't then your previous comment that the results are similar. To be clear I’m noticing…

>When I say they have similar goals I mean they are both trying to sway public option to support their agenda.

Ok, but that's every politician (and many people as well). What their specific goal is matters. If one political party supports Israel 40% [4] and the other 80% then there's a difference. It's possible to support Israel and the Palestinians at the same time as well so it's not a clear "this or that"

>yield similar results.

If you are saying something like "Israel is still attacking Palestinians no matter who is elected" yes but to the same extent? What about aid to Palestine?

In 2018 Trump cut $200m worth of aid to them [1] then in 2021 Biden restored it [2]. I can understand if the issue is that neither party are going as far as you might want but that doesn't really make them same and not voting [3] doesn't make sense if you care because it can only make things worse for the Palestinians

Your argument reads like a general frustration with politics, which I get, but it still exists and will always exist. Not participating is the worse option imo.

[1] https://www.reuters.com/article/world/trump-cuts-more-than-2...

[2] https://www.france24.com/en/middle-east/20210407-us-restores...

[3] Not accusing you here

[4] Just a made a fake scale of support from 0 to 100 for the example

Re: Leaked data reveals Israeli govt campaign to remove pro-Palestine posts on Meta

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Post by submeta »

steventhedev wrote: post #581
submeta wrote: post #102

Earlier quoted context omitted.

These are people having stronger loyalty to Israel than to the US. Also, would US conpanies employ people with strong ties to Russia, knowing they would suppress any criticism of Russia‘s war in Ukraine? Apparently that’s what these Meta employees with strong ties to Israel did: Suppress any criticism of Israel‘s apparent war crimes in Gaza, for which there are arrest warrants from the ICC.

By that incredibly racist logic Meta should only hire born and bred Americans. How many Russians work at Meta? How many Palestinians?

And you mean soldiers of an apartheid state, that is accused of genocide and whose leaders have arrest wartants from the highest court, are like soldiers from any other country?

Sources Declaring Israel's Practices as Apartheid:

1. UN Special Rapporteur on the Situation of Human Rights in the Occupied Palestinian Territory: Michael Lynk's report concludes that Israel's practices in the OPT amount to apartheid [3][9][12].

2. International Court of Justice (ICJ): Found Israel responsible for apartheid in its advisory opinion [1][7].

3. Amnesty International: Describes Israel's treatment of Palestinians as apartheid, a crime against humanity [2][5][10].

4. Human Rights Watch: Concludes that Israel's policies constitute apartheid and persecution against Palestinians [4][5].

5. International Commission of Jurists (ICJ): Denounces Israel's system of apartheid against Palestinians [8].

6. B'Tselem: An Israeli human rights group that has also described Israel's practices as apartheid [9].

7. Al-Haq and other Palestinian organizations: Submitted reports to UN bodies arguing that Israel maintains an apartheid regime [4].

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## Sources

[1] https://www.un.org/unispal/document/experts-hail-icj-declara...

[2] https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2022/02/israels-apart...

[3] https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2022/03/israel-opt-is...

[4] https://www.cjpme.org/apartheid_list

[5] https://www.caabu.org/issues/international-human-rights-orga...

[6] https://www.amnestyusa.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/01/Full-R...

[7] https://www.hrw.org/news/2024/07/19/world-court-finds-israel...

[8] https://www.icj.org/un-icj-denounces-israels-system-of-apart...

[9] https://bdsmovement.net/UN-Special-Rapporteur-Confirms-Israe...

[10] https://apnews.com/article/middle-east-jerusalem-israel-race...

[11] https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2023/02/israel-opt-pa...

[12] https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2022/03/israels-55-y...

[13] https://www.amnesty.org/en/documents/mde15/5141/2022/en/

[14] https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/23/world/middleeast/israel-a...

[15] https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2022/10/israel-opt-la...

[16] https://arabcenterdc.org/resource/a-discussion-of-the-un-rep...

[17] https://www.alhaq.org/advocacy/20727.html

[18] https://www.alhaq.org/advocacy/17012.html

[19] https://www.un.org/unispal/document/report-of-the-special-co...

[20] https://www.hrw.org/news/2023/12/05/does-israels-treatment-p...

[21] https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/top-un-court-says-israels...

[22] https://www.hrw.org/report/2021/04/27/threshold-crossed/isra...

[23] https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2024/09/apartheid-is...

[24] https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/campaigns/2022/02/israels-...

[25] https://fathomjournal.org/how-ngos-fabricate-the-legal-defin...

[26] https://www.btselem.org/topic/apartheid

[27] https://www.btselem.org

[28] https://ngo-monitor.org/reports/amnesty-internationals-cruel...

[29] https://ips-dc.org/human-rights-groups-agree-israel-is-pract...

[30] https://www.amnestyusa.org/campaigns/end-apartheid/

[31] https://ngo-monitor.org/reports/apartheid-report-2022/

[32] https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2024/02/israel-must-e...

[33] https://ngo-monitor.org/report-category/apartheid/

[34] https://www.npr.org/2022/02/01/1077291879/israel-apartheid-s...

[35] https://www.un.org/unispal/document/special-rapporteur-on-th...

Re: Leaked data reveals Israeli govt campaign to remove pro-Palestine posts on Meta

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Post by Braxton1980 »

grafmax wrote: post #840
Braxton1980 wrote: post #457

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Another difference would be that you are allowed to express your opinion, whereas in russia you would be put to jail, that's true but only in a very limited way. Although not even close in number and punishment the US government is deporting people for speaking against Israel. I think we do have a much better system because we are aware of these cases, you can speak out about the issue, and our court system can rule…

In the US the upper class rules by soft power that gives people the illusion of choice while actually they hold all the power. I agree it’s better that we don’t yet see individuals directly punished at scale for dissent. But if this is all we settle for we’re like dogs fighting for scraps.

> But if this is all we settle for we’re like dogs fighting for scraps.

Who is settling for this? It's just one battle when multiple battles occur at the same time and we don't stop fighting.

Are you saying too much is being focused on this issue? I think it's something that if we don't do that then it will only get worse.

Re: Leaked data reveals Israeli govt campaign to remove pro-Palestine posts on Meta

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Post by nashashmi »

reissbaker wrote: post #862
nashashmi wrote: post #830

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That’s a terrible argument. Palestinians have fled. Nakba happened. Refugees increased. So did the population go down? yes. The population shifted to safer places. And then they are getting bombed there too.

People fleeing a conflict isn't genocide. And no, the population did not decrease! You can literally look this up. "Moving 5 miles away" is not an overall group population decrease; here is a graph of the population of Israelis and Palestinians respectively: https://www.statista.com/chart/20645/palestine-and-israel-po... As you can see, it's been up and to the right this whole time, for both groups. Unless you think…

You have to look at the population of Palestinians in the 1948 region before and after. Towns are empty from the nakba.

People fleeing a genocide and being refused return is genocide. Don’t try to rephrase this is as “conflict”. Nor equate the history of other regions as equivalent to this one.

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Post by wordofx »

dragonwriter wrote: post #628
wordofx wrote: post #627

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[flagged]

> Hamas has broken ever cease fire since they took power. Israel has broken every ceasefire, though US media tends to treat Israeli attacks as hiccups and challenges to ceasefires involving Israel and those on the other side as more serious. This is similar to the way that the same linguistic cause/effect separation (sometimes termed the “exonerative tense” or “exonerative mood”) frequently used to deflect responsibi…

Yeah still not flagged. Nice bias HN.

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Post by grafmax »

Braxton1980 wrote: post #965
grafmax wrote: post #840

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In the US the upper class rules by soft power that gives people the illusion of choice while actually they hold all the power. I agree it’s better that we don’t yet see individuals directly punished at scale for dissent. But if this is all we settle for we’re like dogs fighting for scraps.

> But if this is all we settle for we’re like dogs fighting for scraps. Who is settling for this? It's just one battle when multiple battles occur at the same time and we don't stop fighting. Are you saying too much is being focused on this issue? I think it's something that if we don't do that then it will only get worse.

I’d argue this is the biggest issue, because it’s ultimately about who controls the political process. Unless we can wrest that control from the hands of the wealthy, it’s hard to see how we can make lasting progress on other fronts. They run the show according to their own interests, even undermining the Constitution when it suits them.

The fact that they still hold all the power is proof that, consciously or not, enough people are still settling for scraps. You may not be, but many are, and that’s part of the problem.

Re: Leaked data reveals Israeli govt campaign to remove pro-Palestine posts on Meta

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Post by mjlangiii »

aucisson_masque wrote: post #24

I like to think we are in a better place than russia for instance with all its propaganda and jailed journalists, but then i see these kind of article come over and over.... Most of the people in the 'free world' goes on mainstream media, like facebook to get their news. These companies are enticed to 'suck up' to the government because at the end they are business, they need to be in good term with ruling class. you…

you might enjoy reading, "Manufacturing Consent"

Re: Leaked data reveals Israeli govt campaign to remove pro-Palestine posts on Meta

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Post by weatherlite »

ath3nd wrote: post #667
subscribed wrote: post #650

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But Zionism is not Judaism. Most of the pro-Palestine or anti-Zionist content I see is denouncing Israeli war crimes and genocide. No one is bashing Jews because of their ethnicity or religion. Also a lot of this comes from the Jews (who are then attacked for being confused or..... antisemitic) We're not at the point of people hunting Jews because they're Jews. We are at the point when opposing targeting/killing medi…

> I do not disagree with your comment in general, I disagree with you putting "Judaism" while the almost all the critique and rebuke is aimed at the Israeli war crimes or the Zionist supremacy ideology. It's good that you brought this up! It's a common right-wing tactic to conflate themselves with the purest version of something that is highly regarded and hide behind it. E.g the Nazis conflated themselves with "pure…

> the same way now Israel conflates itself with Judaism/Jewishness

And the same way now progressives conflate Zionists with White supremacists / Nazis.

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