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Re: How much do you think it costs to make a pair of Nike shoes in Asia?

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Post by 9rx »

spaceman_2020 wrote: post #697
IncreasePosts wrote: post #520

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Something like 35% of China's population works in the agriculture sector, many of whom are poor with little or no land holdings living in small villages. Is there a word for that kind of person?

Would you call a midwest farmer in the US a “peasant” or just a farmer? Let’s not pretend that peasants and farmers represent the same thing

> Would you call a midwest farmer in the US a “peasant” or just a farmer?

All peasants are farmers, but not all farmers are poor.

So, no, not as a group. Midwest farmers, on balance, are going to be some of the richest people you can find in the country (mostly because of their land wealth, which Chinese farmers don't have). There are likely to be individual farmers in the midwest who you would call peasants, though.

Chinese farmers, on the other hand, are likely to be very poor. Some individual farmers in China are rich, but as far as the group goes... It is not as bad as it once was, but as that group they still lag well behind the typical urban dweller. As that group they are peasants.

Re: How much do you think it costs to make a pair of Nike shoes in Asia?

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Post by SV_BubbleTime »

gnopgnip wrote: post #693
SV_BubbleTime wrote: post #200

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Is there a reason, be-it special buildings, tools, skills that shoes can not be made in the US to avoid the tariffs? If Nike shoes exceed the cost of domestically produced shoes, isn’t that… like… kind of the point?

You can buy made in USA sneakers like New Balance 990 series. Generally all the materials except the sole are US sourced. Retails for $200 a pair. What kind of sneakers do you buy? Running a manufacturing business in the US is more expensive. Consumers largely won't pay more, it's a limited market. The machinery for molding soles only makes economical sense at a large scale.

They’ll pay more if the imported shoe costs the same or more.

The US does massive amounts of injection molding. I just signed off on my molds to be cut and run this month, how much experience do you actually have with this I wonder?

Re: How much do you think it costs to make a pair of Nike shoes in Asia?

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bbreier wrote: post #680
IncreasePosts wrote: post #520

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Something like 35% of China's population works in the agriculture sector, many of whom are poor with little or no land holdings living in small villages. Is there a word for that kind of person?

Peasant has a more specific meaning than this. More importantly, it has been used as a pejorative for a very long time now and that is clearly the intent the vice president had in mind.

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giantrobot wrote: post #841
_t9ow wrote: post #807

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While it is true that Vance did not literally refer to all Chinese people as peasants, I do worry that such rhetoric will stoke the flames of racially motivated anti-Asian/anti-Chinese attacks. I don't want to discuss whether he is genuinely racist; I think that's besides the point. Words can have a lot of impact, especially when uttered by a public figure in such a powerful position. I don't think it's unreasonable…

> I don't think it's unreasonable to expect the Vice President of the United States to carefully weigh the consequences of his words before speaking. He did carefully weigh the consequences of his words. He deliberately chose the most inflammatory and insulting of possible words. Knowingly and intentionally.

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Post by [deleted] »

_t9ow wrote: post #807
refurb wrote: post #787

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No, he said “"We borrow money from Chinese peasants to buy the things those Chinese peasants make” He did not refer to all Chinese as peasants. China would like you think that though.

While it is true that Vance did not literally refer to all Chinese people as peasants, I do worry that such rhetoric will stoke the flames of racially motivated anti-Asian/anti-Chinese attacks. I don't want to discuss whether he is genuinely racist; I think that's besides the point. Words can have a lot of impact, especially when uttered by a public figure in such a powerful position. I don't think it's unreasonable…

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Post by spaceman_2020 »

apwell23 wrote: post #804
spaceman_2020 wrote: post #698

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Half your voting population deemed him to be fit enough to represent them

yea all voting population voted. ironic comment talking about intelligence.

the non voters didn't think he was bad enough of a representative to vote against him then. Equally complicit

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Post by spaceman_2020 »

lolinder wrote: post #715
spaceman_2020 wrote: post #705

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Yeah, but that’s not the same level of diversity as an atheist Frenchman and a muslim Algerian and a Christian Ivorian. The Sichuanese might not get along with the Cantonese, but they’re ethnically the same people with a shared culture

No, they're not. The Chinese have never been especially unified until very recently and they're internally quite diverse on all the key measures of ethnicity: their languages are mutually unintelligible, their religious belief systems span the entire breadth of world religions plus a wide spectrum of home grown ones, and their value systems are very different. One China is a convenient fiction invented by an authorit…

ser, do I need to pull up a map of Europe or India at any time in history? "One country" is a recent historical phenomenon.

by the standard of most large landmasses, China was, in fact, far more cohesive and united - compared to the hundreds of local lords and kings with their tiny little fiefs in, say, India

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Post by 9rx »

williamDafoe wrote: post #960
subsubzero wrote: post #577

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I see what you are getting at but I have to disagree with alot of what you are saying. > the US will find itself in the same position the UK is in now The US and UK are totally different animals at the height of their "empire". The UK currently has little land and alot of it is devoid of minerals(sans coal). They achieved most of their might subjecting other countries and extracting resources from their colonies. Onc…

USA has three advantages that no place else in the world has. First we have the biggest oil deposit in the history of mankind with the Permian basin. Second we have more inland waterways in the Mississippi River system than the whole rest of the world combined and third this abuts the best farmland on the planet. I would say that the USA also has an advantage of open immigration for intellectuals to keep our universi…

The USA has also been greatly advantaged by being host to the world's reserve currency (also known as having a massive trade deficit). It has been able to buy, buy, buy without needing to sell in kind; essentially getting stuff for free.

But it wants to throw that out the window now too, for some reason. Crazy.

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Post by HarHarVeryFunny »

briandear wrote: post #763
consp wrote: post #740

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SE will one day realize they are as screwed as the average worker and unionize in some way. The endless money pits are not for every SE, even today the majority does not work for the creme-de-creme of well paying companies. While specialists and smooth talkers might profit from the current model, as always is the case, most won't.

Then when they unionize, all the software jobs will head to cheaper locales. Unless of course you’re suggesting that the U.S. use tariffs on labor to prevent that?

If the goal is to have high paying jobs in the US, then yes the government should put penalties in place to encourage that. US cost of living (housing, real estate taxes, health care costs, college costs, etc) is way higher than many countries, especially those where jobs are being offshored to, especially India, so salaries have to be higher here.

So, do we let US companies invest US consumer derived revenue in the Indian economy, just to boost profits a bit, or do we protect good jobs at home instead, and have a virtuous circle where US profits get plowed back into the US economy?

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Post by nicbou »

ctrlp wrote: post #948
nicbou wrote: post #938

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I upgraded to Red Wings and Adidas Sambas. I'm astounded by the durability of both. Shoes used to be something I changed every season. It was indeed worth the cost.

Sambas for walking or running or sports? I've had good luck with Ecco shoes with Vibram soles for walking but my favorites were discontinued. Luckily, I bought a bunch of extras. As I've gotten older I've learned that if you find some shoe or clothing you really like, buy backups. So many great products are discontinued at some point.

As everyday shoes. I like how they look, they're decently comfortable, and they lasted through the summer plus a hike or two without issues.

Agreed about backups. I already miss that Uniqlo shirt that apparently isn't sold in Europe.

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