Trump wins presidency for second time

Okay, how do you attract the side that thinks you're a subhuman and deserve to be jailed at best or at worst killed?

I may be completely wrong, but I see a lot of talk in terms of how the Dems failed to be elected.

I'm thinking more about how the Reps succeeded in being elected.

That, far as I can tell, is through Trump lying through his teeth in the most incredible manner every time he speaks, and people who are ill-equipped to see through it being deceived.

I have to think it's hard to compete with that, if you're not lying yourself.

This is a massive indicitment of our country. We get what we deserve.

Voting based on perception, not facts, especially given Trump's overall character and abhorrent track record, is going plunge us further into far right extremism. Enjoy.

This is one of the biggest issues the Democrats have with messaging. They turn everything into a black or white issue. You're either completely for something 100% or you're against it when most Americans want something in the middle.

The issue isn't immigration, it is massive amounts of illegal immigration. Some form of vetting is necessary to keep gang members, murderers, rapists, and extremist terrorists from entering the country. Nearly everyone in this country either is descended from immigrants or is a first generation immigrant themselves, but they just want a controlled legal process to occur.

Same with abortion. Trump's official position on abortion is that it isn't a federal issue, it is a state issue. This is much more nuanced than for and against. Conservatives have wide ranging beliefs on this issue. There are some that are 100% against it and some that believe it should be banned after X number of weeks. Many also believe that there should be exceptions for medical necessity, rape, and incest. There are complicated ethical, moral, and religious issues that surround these beliefs. At what point does a fetus become a human? No one really has a great answer to that question.

Another issue is gun control. If you believe strongly in the Second Amendment most Democrats are unpalatable on this issue alone. Kamala Harris has in the past stated that she supports a ban and confiscation of AR-15s, as you can imagine this went over poorly for a very significant portion of the electorate.

Bottom line however, I agree with many others here that the economy is the biggest thing that won people over to Trump. Even if it is completely out of Trump, Biden, or Harris's control, most people in this country felt like they were better off financially under the Trump administration and they voted accordingly.

This would actually make third parties a real threat and force Dems/Republicans to stop villainizing each other. Everyone voting out of hatred for the other side means a popular 3rd party candidate would be everyones 2nd choice.