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Re: Apple's requirements are about to hit creators and fans on Patreon

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Post by brlewis »

CivBase wrote: post #890
cortesoft wrote: post #650

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> does anybody want to argue that Apple hosting the Patreon app on iOS provides more value to Patreon subscribers and creators than the existence of Patreon itself does? Well, there is a simple way to test this... just get rid of the Patreon iOS app and just use a web version. Why does patreon need its own app? Why can't it just be web based? I wish fewer companies had apps. I don't need an app for everything. I don'…

> Why does patreon need its own app? Notifications. Performance. Responsiveness. Bandwidth. Offline access. And a lot of users simply find apps to be more convenient than browser bookmarks. I use the web interface for Patreon, but I can see why some users would want the app. Why does Apple themselves have apps for things like maps, news, stocks, weather, video chats, etc? These all rely on web services and could theo…

I think your information about lack of notifications is outdated.

https://developer.apple.com/documentation/usernotifications/...

Re: Apple's requirements are about to hit creators and fans on Patreon

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Post by VertanaNinjai »

johnnyanmac wrote: post #763
giancarlostoro wrote: post #444

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Reddit is probably the worst at this, really annoying.

absolutely dreadful. It is quite literally unusable to use the mobile site. I don't even know why they bother hosting it. Only site where I simply toggle desktop. And now FF mobile can even install RES so that helps mitigate the otherwise clunky navigation (though, I have been unable to enable cloud backup. I can restore local copies though).

There is also Sink-It for Reddit. It’s an open source Safari extension to make the website more usable if you need it.

Re: Apple's requirements are about to hit creators and fans on Patreon

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Post by Reubachi »

cortesoft wrote: post #650
danShumway wrote: post #389

Another point that Patreon isn't really emphasizing here that seems relevant to any conversations about "fairness" is that Apple's fees on Patreon subscriptions in-app are now higher than Patreon's fees. It's important to recognize any time that we're talking about the market that services charge what they can, not what is fair. The market does not have a concept of fairness, only competition. This is why there is no…

> does anybody want to argue that Apple hosting the Patreon app on iOS provides more value to Patreon subscribers and creators than the existence of Patreon itself does? Well, there is a simple way to test this... just get rid of the Patreon iOS app and just use a web version. Why does patreon need its own app? Why can't it just be web based? I wish fewer companies had apps. I don't need an app for everything. I don'…

Patreon allows creators to for a fee serve additional media content via it's app which is agnostic of media type. (IE music, coding, youtube etc.)

Most people pay for things for convenience and perceived value. There is very little convience or perceived value in having to go to a mobile/safari/ios website, log in, and then download a for example 1gig podcast tothen have to find it in my "downloads" and then play via some media player.

Re: Apple's requirements are about to hit creators and fans on Patreon

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Post by mmmlinux »

Hot take, Patreon doesn't really care about fighting this because they get more revenue from monthly subscriptions. I'd bet most creators using this model do it because the publish less than once a month and don't want to be charging their patrons for more than they make.

Re: Apple's requirements are about to hit creators and fans on Patreon

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Post by Sloppy »

"Apps" suck. Use a web ui and tell Apple and Google to shove it. If anti-trust and/or our consumer protestors in various US legislatures won't fix the app stores by breaking them up, the app devs can just drop making apps. I've done many apps and would estimate that 90% have no real need for the API toolkits that Apple and Google give you, they can just as easily be done as "web apps" -- if, that is, everyone dropped the apps and used web apis so cooperation of apps would be based on them, not the toolkits. Exceptions do apply but they are in the minority IMHO.

Re: Apple's requirements are about to hit creators and fans on Patreon

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Post by jzl »

johnnyanmac wrote: post #790
jzl wrote: post #671

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Right but just because they said it doesn’t mean they’re not playing fast and loose with the messaging. I’ve never heard of a single app where the off-app billing affected the inclusion of the app in the store. I mean maybe it’s true but that seems like it would be breaking new ground in App Store rules. I suspect Patreon is playing semantics here but would be happy to see evidence otherwise. To be clear, I’m taking…

> I’ve never heard of a single app where the off-app billing affected the inclusion of the app in the store. most apps don't do payments like this to begin with. >To be clear, I’m taking about the case where Patreon could decide to show no billing details or links at all in the App Store, just like eg Audible. To be frank, I don't think Patreon has the same market force as Audible. Audible can definitely appeal to ap…

Apologies, I somehow missed the memo three years ago that Audible turned on in-app purchases(1). I was thinking of the pre-2021 policy.

I’m still pretty sure that if an app has zero financial interactions at all in the App Store that Apple has no limitations on how the app’s financials work outside of the app. But I can understand that once you want to do anything in app, Apple might have restrictions on hybrid models.

1 - https://9to5mac.com/2021/04/16/you-can-now-buy-audiobooks-di...

Re: Apple's requirements are about to hit creators and fans on Patreon

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Post by drewg123 »

crazygringo wrote: post #468
drewg123 wrote: post #339

The only reason I'd want to use a Patreon app over their website would be to play creator's videos on a large screen. As far as I can tell, they don't have an AppleTV app. This, TBH, is why I've never supported a creator via Patreon, as I have no idea how I'd access a creator's supporter-only content in a way that was convenient for me.

Can't you just play a video from their website full-screen, and AirPlay that to your Apple TV? AirPlay is the general way to get anything from your phone or Mac to your Apple TV.

Airplay doesn't qualify as "convenient" for me. First is the frustration of even getting it to work, and second if I have a phone or mac open, I'll ignore the TV and get sucked into work instead of relaxing.

Re: Apple's requirements are about to hit creators and fans on Patreon

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Post by crazygringo »

drewg123 wrote: post #967
crazygringo wrote: post #468

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Can't you just play a video from their website full-screen, and AirPlay that to your Apple TV? AirPlay is the general way to get anything from your phone or Mac to your Apple TV.

Airplay doesn't qualify as "convenient" for me. First is the frustration of even getting it to work, and second if I have a phone or mac open, I'll ignore the TV and get sucked into work instead of relaxing.

It's usually two taps, three at most. Hard to see how that isn't convenient. And what's frustrating about getting it to work? It's generally extremely reliable.

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Post by hyperdimension »

InsomniacL wrote: post #842
MikeRichardson wrote: post #241

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This wouldn't work, unless you actually have some legitimate way to obtain the grain of sand. So Patreon would have to actually staff a location somewhere that distributes the sand.

> The grain of sand is available for collection from somewhere > staff a location still costs less than 30% of all ios revenue

Or just say you shipped it. Neither party would have incentive to say 'they never shipped it/it never came'. Mail a postcard if Apple wants tracking.

Re: Apple's requirements are about to hit creators and fans on Patreon

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Post by plorg »

talldatethrow wrote: post #759
plorg wrote: post #158

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I personally would not respect a doctor if he told me I could treat my cancer by eating good.

The government and medical establishment has watched as cancer rates have risen over the last few generations. They're getting better at treating the things yes, as they help us get more over it. Take mammograms for example. Some European countries have stopped using them all together because even the US admits it raises the likelihood of getting breast cancer. But the US medical system will tell you it's worth incre…

So far as I can tell this is simply not true. There was a report made in Switzerland that suggested mammograms were ineffective, but that report appears to have been flawed and its recommendations were never implemented. Swiss doctors still recommend mammograms for women over 40.

The point here, though, is that even if mammography were ineffective at identifying cancer or had large false positive rates - which no reputable medical body has suggested is the case - medical and surgical intervention would be the proper treatment, because they work and are effective for those forms of cancer.

There is also simply no evidence that Western medicine is causing more cancer. I would believe that there are diets that can decrease the likelihood of it, but there is also not evidence nor any known mechanism by which a diet can cure cancer once it exists.

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