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10% of Cubans left Cuba between 2022 and 2023

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Re: 10% of Cubans left Cuba between 2022 and 2023

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Post by SllX »

beaglesss wrote: post #148
valicord wrote: post #76

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In this scenario, should everyone born in the same city as you be punished for your crimes?

This is foundational to American legal system in many cases. If your local cops for instance unjustly beat say Cubans and get sued for it the inhabitants will pay and possibly even their children through debt.

Well, that's how it should work. Qualified immunity massively complicates this in favor of the cop and therefore the city employing said cop and the residents of the city. It is technically not impossible to win such a case if you get a court to take it, but you might be facing some insurmountable odds getting a court to take the case.

Re: 10% of Cubans left Cuba between 2022 and 2023

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Post by inhumantsar »

incahoots wrote: post #550
BurningFrog wrote: post #179

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Sure, but a lot of people seem to think Cuba is cut off from world trade. They're only cut off from one country. Someone called it a "blockade" on this page.

The US embargo includes NATO members. I don’t have the source handy at the moment but it’s clear that any current trade partners with the US would be violating the embargo if they attempt read with Cuba.

That is not true. Canada trades with Cuba and has done so for decades.

Re: 10% of Cubans left Cuba between 2022 and 2023

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Post by [deleted] »

phyzix5761 wrote: post #943
ossobuco wrote: post #786

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> we don't want to fund what their government is doing What is their government doing that is so terrible? Anyway let's suppose Cuba is a brutal dictatorship, even though it really isn't by any metric. Why are there no sanctions on Saudi Arabia? Why no sanctions on Taiwan during the white terror? Why no sanctions on Chile when they threw alive protesters from flying helicopters? I could go on for a while.

My whole family was murdered by the government of Cuba because they verbally disagreed with Fidel and communism. No crimes other than speaking out were committed. That's what they're doing that is so terrible.

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Re: 10% of Cubans left Cuba between 2022 and 2023

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Post by Gormo »

Yawrehto wrote: post #892
wordsinaline wrote: post #69

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I would still hold a grudge. I hold historical grudges going back centuries.

Sometimes I want to but it's hard when every European country has tried to kill you. (Maybe there's one that was good to Jews, but I'm pretty sure there wasn't, for the simple reason that all the Jews would go there then, and the countries all the Jews went to, Spain and then Poland, then tried to kill us.) I don't want to have a grudge against a continent.

I don't think it's fair to apply that to Poland. Jews were well integrated into Polish society for most of its history during the Commonwealth era. Poland-Lithuania was a very pluralistic state with explicit protection in law for religious liberty, something that didn't exit in pretty much any other European state during the early modern era. The inquisition didn't operate there after the mid 16th century at all, just around the time when Spain was ramping it up.

Most of the examples of antisemitic repression in Poland took place during the post-partition era in the 19th century, when Poland was ruled by Russia, and Poles themselves faced similar repression by the Russian authorities.

Re: 10% of Cubans left Cuba between 2022 and 2023

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Post by Log_out_ »

giancarlostoro wrote: post #6

I wonder what a sensible way forward for Cubans is, and their government. What would it take for the US to lift sanctions (I assume a radical shift within Cuba's government), and for Cuba itself (as a whole) to restructure their government in a way that would benefit them and everyone. Cuba would be a great travel destination. Their cigars aren't as on par anymore as far as I know, but there's potential there, Nicara…

Made it to 2nd sentence, before they made it about us.

Re: 10% of Cubans left Cuba between 2022 and 2023

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Post by akho »

aconsult1 wrote: post #956
akho wrote: post #953

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I'm not in the US. While the tobacco itself is unbeatable, Cuban cigars have quality control issues. You regularly run into draw issues, for example. Aging is typically required for best experience, which also isn't easy. I smoke Olivas and Arturo Fuentes regularly, despite having access to Cubans.

I agree with your statement on quality control issues. Also fake cigars are a huge problem. I've heard about many cases of cigars made in Cuba by "freelancers" and then sold in repurposed boxes and labels. Those aren't terrible cigars, but definitely not great. I'll try those 2 you mentioned and see if it's to my taste. Dona Flor, made in Brazil, are pretty decent. Unfortunately they are not easy to come by near wher…

Oliva Melanio Serie V comes in various sizes from robusto up, with maduro variants (I don't think Cuba does maduros). It's generally well regarded, smokeable, and I haven't seen one with significant issues. I often have non-maduro robustos in my humidor.

Arturo Fuente Hemingway Short Story is quick, and an alternative to the Trinidad Reyes in that respect. Different taste profile, of course.

In both cases — not Cubans, so no grassiness, and heavier, but not bad at all.

Re: 10% of Cubans left Cuba between 2022 and 2023

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Post by Yawrehto »

selimthegrim wrote: post #947
Yawrehto wrote: post #892

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Sometimes I want to but it's hard when every European country has tried to kill you. (Maybe there's one that was good to Jews, but I'm pretty sure there wasn't, for the simple reason that all the Jews would go there then, and the countries all the Jews went to, Spain and then Poland, then tried to kill us.) I don't want to have a grudge against a continent.

Albania? Bulgaria?

1. Albania was part of the Ottoman Empire, which, while better than most of Europe for Jews, was not great; being "better than most of Europe" typically meant "you don't get killed every year" and still allows for significant antisemitism. I am willing to grant that they may not have wanted to be part of the Ottoman Empire, though, and there's little on antisemitic massacres. So I concede that I do not need to hold a grudge against Albania. Thank you, Albania.

2. As for Bulgaria...not deporting Jews to their death for one small period of time != lack of antisemitism in the past few hundred years.

According to the USHMM,[1] Bulgaria's actions in World War Two included:

Instituting laws that, among other things, forbid Jews from marrying non-Jews and restricted where Jews could live and what jobs they could have.

Deporting Jews who were not in Bulgaria pre-war (its borders expanded) to their deaths.

Sending Jews to slave labor camps. [1]https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/article/bulgaria

So, no, Bulgaria was antisemitic in the past few hundred years.

Re: 10% of Cubans left Cuba between 2022 and 2023

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Post by hadlock »

whydoineedthis wrote: post #773
hadlock wrote: post #628

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What I can't understand is WHY are the people who escaped for a better life, pro embargo... What, 70 years later? Seems like it's only being highly effective at hurting the general population

My father migrated from Cuba in the 60's and anytime I asked him whether it was worth me visiting he promptly said "No, absolutely not. Don't even waste your time considering it. Castro ruined it and it will never be the same". I think the moral is that for many Cubans the embargo isn't against the people, it's against the Cuban government, and they genuinely hate the government with every fiber of their existence. T…

Just to clarify, you are upholding your father's political retribution despite being born elsewhere and (presumably) never visiting? I'm genuinely curious.

Re: 10% of Cubans left Cuba between 2022 and 2023

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Post by zdragnar »

thinkcontext wrote: post #444
zdragnar wrote: post #40

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I think that's really underselling the political persecution that many have suffered in Cuba. It's far and away from just wanting reparations for land grabs. We have sanctions on Cuba for the same reason we have sanctions on Russia and Venezuela now- we don't want to fund what their government is doing, and allying with them gives us little to nothing in return. That said, it's pretty obvious that economic sanctions…

> allying with them gives us little to nothing in return. Recent events have shown that to be very much not the case. Over the past few weeks we've had news of the Russian Navy paying port calls and the Chinese building major signals intelligence capabilities. Wouldn't it be better to have them as an ally? It's always interesting to contrast our relationships with Cuba vs Vietnam. We fought a long hot war with Vietna…

> Wouldn't it be better to have them as an ally?

I strongly suspect the possibility of normalizing relations while the Castros held power would have been impossible.

I had actually expected some progress on this front after they got new blood in a few years ago, but he's much the same, and given their relations with other sanctioned countries like North Korea, and calling Israel a terrorist state, I don't really see much desire for change from either side.

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