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Apple terminates Epic Games developer account, calling it a 'threat' to iOS

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Re: Apple terminates Epic Games developer account, calling it a 'threat' to iOS

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Post by semi-extrinsic »

hn_throwaway_99 wrote: post #945
hipadev23 wrote: post #936

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Pixel phones imo are like gaming on linux. Yes it’s passable, yes it’s getting better, but if you’re fooling yourself if you think it’s comparable to gaming on Windows.

Useless analogies are just useless analogies. Care to explain, with specifics, why you feel that way? The Pixel has a fantastic camera (e.g. https://www.digitaltrends.com/mobile/google-pixel-7-vs-apple... ), and it's "smart calling features" (e.g. better handling of spam calls, transcripts for call menus, "hold for me", etc.) are hugely important features for me.

Not GP but FWIW, I went from a 2020 Huawei P30 Pro to a 2023 Pixel 7 Pro, and the camera feels like a downgrade... I know on paper it's not, but there's just something about the tele mode in particular that is off somehow.

Re: Apple terminates Epic Games developer account, calling it a 'threat' to iOS

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Post by XajniN »

pixelbyindex wrote: post #918
usefulcat wrote: post #755

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It's entirely a matter of incentives. Companies are like machines whose sole purpose is to make a profit. Pretty much everything they do apart from that (make products, employ people, pollute, etc) is, strictly speaking, a side effect. If they could make just as much money (or more) without doing any of those other things, they absolutely would, and any company that wouldn't do the same would eventually be put out of…

> Companies are like machines whose sole purpose is to make a profit. I think I understand that you mean to say "Corporations", whose governing body is made up of board members and executives. In that sense, there certainly seems to be a strong correlation. In my case, however, I started a game company this year, and my goals are not profit driven. I haven't sat down to write things out but I probably should. Loosely…

Those are your goals, and your company's profits may enable you to achieve them. Your company's sole purpose is getting you those profits.

That's economics 101, stop idealizing business entities.

Re: Apple terminates Epic Games developer account, calling it a 'threat' to iOS

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Post by stevage »

hipadev23 wrote: post #936
hn_throwaway_99 wrote: post #935

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> Google is inept at best and getting worse. Hard disagree. I've used Pixel phones for years and they're generally great phones. Biggest previous complaint was their software upgrade support window was too short, but now they offer 7 years of upgrades.

Pixel phones imo are like gaming on linux. Yes it’s passable, yes it’s getting better, but if you’re fooling yourself if you think it’s comparable to gaming on Windows.

What? No. I have always used android except for a brief while I had to use an iPhone.

I much prefer android. And the pixel is particularly good, much as I dislike google.

Re: Apple terminates Epic Games developer account, calling it a 'threat' to iOS

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Post by refulgentis »

stevage wrote: post #963

It strikes me as very weird that it supposedly took weeks for Apple management to learn that Epic had acquired a developer account.

Desparate obfuscation in recent PR statements. 24 hours ago, they were more straightforward about ex. getting Epic on a phone call to confirm via voice they'd follow the rules just a few days ago. Back when they were proud of it and thought it'd be smooth sailing.

Re: Apple terminates Epic Games developer account, calling it a 'threat' to iOS

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Post by threeseed »

TillE wrote: post #958
warkdarrior wrote: post #947

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DMA requires that (stated informally) large enough online marketplaces do not retaliate against developers or users without a good cause.

The DMA requires that companies like Apple provide fair, reasonable, and non-discriminatory access for competition. The account is really neither here nor there, it's only an issue because Apple has chosen to make it a requirement to distribute an app marketplace. It's pretty clear that they can't legally freeze out Epic as a competitor, but how they solve that is up to them.

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Re: Apple terminates Epic Games developer account, calling it a 'threat' to iOS

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Post by lmm »

throwaway2990 wrote: post #938
hipadev23 wrote: post #934

We need some competition in the mobile/tablet space. Apple hardware and performance is incredible. Google is inept at best and getting worse.

MS threw in the towel unfortunately. Now we are stuck with Apple and trash. People desperately cling onto this false ideology that Android is good and Apple is bad when they are at fault for ignoring Windows Phone which was better with their excuses that “I need thousands is fart apps or I can’t use windows phone”

The "developers developers developers developers" company did an incompatible rewrite of their API what, 4x over? At one point even Osborneing themselves, announcing the new incompatible version of Windows Phone just before putting out the first devices that used the current version. You can only screw over your app makers so many times; sure you may not need thousands of apps, but Windows Phone didn't have YouTube, didn't have WhatsApp; at some point it's just untenable.

Re: Apple terminates Epic Games developer account, calling it a 'threat' to iOS

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Post by usefulcat »

pixelbyindex wrote: post #918
usefulcat wrote: post #755

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's entirely a matter of incentives. Companies are like machines whose sole purpose is to make a profit. Pretty much everything they do apart from that (make products, employ people, pollute, etc) is, strictly speaking, a side effect. If they could make just as much money (or more) without doing any of those other things, they absolutely would, and any company that wouldn't do the same would eventually be put out of…

> Companies are like machines whose sole purpose is to make a profit. I think I understand that you mean to say "Corporations", whose governing body is made up of board members and executives. In that sense, there certainly seems to be a strong correlation. In my case, however, I started a game company this year, and my goals are not profit driven. I haven't sat down to write things out but I probably should. Loosely…

I agree, 'corporations' is definitely a better fit for the argument I'm trying to make.

It's perfectly fine if making a lot of money is not the most important thing to you personally. However, your company will obviously have to at least be at least breaking even in order to continue to exist so that it/you can do the things that you do care about.

From that viewpoint, profitability (defined as 'at least breaking even', as opposed to 'maximizing $$') is still the most important thing because the very existence of the company depends on it.

Re: Apple terminates Epic Games developer account, calling it a 'threat' to iOS

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Post by awesomeMilou »

threeseed wrote: post #967
TillE wrote: post #958

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The DMA requires that companies like Apple provide fair, reasonable, and non-discriminatory access for competition. The account is really neither here nor there, it's only an issue because Apple has chosen to make it a requirement to distribute an app marketplace. It's pretty clear that they can't legally freeze out Epic as a competitor, but how they solve that is up to them.

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It remains to be seen if Apple's developer agreement is valid under EU law.
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