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Mark Zuckerberg on Apple’s Vision Pro headset

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Re: Mark Zuckerberg on Apple’s Vision Pro headset

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If a set of vr hardware can make it so I can work as ergonomically from my patio as from my desk I will throw money at it.

Doesn’t strapping on a VR helmet kind of counteract the fun of being outside? Might as well just load up a nice outdoor scene as your background environment

No, a desktop background doesn't come within 100 miles of being physically on your patio when it's nice out (or when it's terrible out; either way, it's not the same experience).

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Augmented Reality (AR, or I guess "spatial computing" now) has always been what I thought would push the whole thing over the edge, and not VR. The "killer app" for VR is immersive experiences - while there's a niche for them, and I think we'll see more and better iterations, I don't think it has the growth potential that AR does. The killer app for AR is the pair of glasses that pops up information as an overlay on…

>If we do get there I pity anyone with photosensitivity issues or epilepsy. They're gonna have a rough time. I would expect the headset to have the same accessibility features for epileptics that phones have.

Interesting, I didn't know phones had general accessibility features for epileptics. Could you elaborate?

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A couple of years ago, I sat down with my friend for a game of chess. After a few minutes of chatting and playing, I realised that I had completely forgotten he wasn’t really there. I took my headset off and it was like he had just left the room. I think that being able to provide the feeling that someone you love is there with you (when they are far away) is why people use a lot of tech. It was a feeling that 2d Fac…

I had a similar feeling without VR: working from home + having friends far away meant I spent a lot of time on video chat du jour. One day I set up the TV with a spare computer and webcam, and used that instead of phone, laptop, or even desktop. The difference was huge, and exponentially so when the other party was doing the same. With selfie webcams we got person-centric mugshots, with room webcams we connected plac…

This reminds me of what the people over at https://tonari.no/ are building. I would love to try out their tech!

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It was laughed at by consumers. There was a time not long ago when buying anything from internet was considered taboo because, you said it, fear of losing your credit card information to scammers.

> There was a time not long ago when buying anything from internet was considered taboo because, you said it, fear of losing your credit card information to scammers. That's a distinctly American problem. As is the (over)use of credit cards in general. Here in Europe, the main worry was simply paying in advance and not getting the item. Early on, the popular choice was just paying to the postman on delivery - it move…

I'm European and the main problem I remember was the fear of losing credit card information. Old people are still scared.

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I think a lot of that was just the Steve Jobs’s presence and presentation style. It’s pretty bananas they’ve crammed an M2 into a headset with all the cameras, sensors, ML engines, and high res displays. The M2 chip alone (I have an M1 Pro) is still blowing my mind with the low wattage performance. But much like the first iPhone, it is yet to be seen if it will stick. I do think it’s far more capable than existing VR…

I really think people aren’t putting enough weight behind the fact that it’s going to have an M2 chip in it. Obviously there’s no way to tell if it’ll deliver until it’s released but the idea of having a headset with potentially the full power of a MacBook is kind of insane.

OTOH wasn't it inevitable -- that small devices of tomorrow will overtake the most powerful cutting-edge gadgets of the past in computing power, storage, performance.

Maybe in a decade small thumb-drives will have an M2 chip equivalent built into them. To encrypt/decrypt data on the fly with zero latency on multiple GB/s data. Or whatever other application can gobble up that much compute power.

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But they have been clear in the presentations that this is the same. It's running a handful of apps, it's not some full laptop-like experience. I would bet it's anyway using most of its computing power just to draw on the displays and to do realtime image recognition to blend the 3D windows into the image of your own room. You'd need far more computing power to actually get a full laptop experience in addition to all…

Sure, it will have that locked in experience to start and lack the computing power to compete with a traditional machine. It doesn't mean it has to remain that way. They've tried to push the iPadOS further in that direction for years.

There is no intention that Apple might ever make iPadOS fully(ish) open like macOS is. I don’t see any reason to believe that their VR devices will not stay locked down forever too.

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There is something quite remarkable and puzzling about the VR/AR and now SC (spatial computing) space. All major (ad)tech companies are convinced that this is a major market that will materialize and be profitable if the right combination of hardware and software is developed. Their VR "visions" differ but only at the margin. No matter how you execute it, we are talking about people (homo sapiens) putting a major som…

I was talking to my daughter about sort of a tangential issue the other day. I want to say it's related because some of these "better" technologies get pushed onto public schools. Some idiot in her class had managed to completely disable (destroy?) a Smart Board by throwing some tiny object and striking it. I have to admit that I don't actually know exactly what a Smart Board is or exactly what its capabilities are,…

My teacher would send everything he wrote on the smart board as a PDF after class. This was effortless for him either the smart board. Now sure, for projecting a presentation, there’s no major difference. But I think it’s trying to combine blackboards and projectors, and in this case, it did (at least for me) make some things easier. Is it 30x better at educating than the overhead? No. But I don’t think it has to be to be worthwhile.

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>If we do get there I pity anyone with photosensitivity issues or epilepsy. They're gonna have a rough time. I would expect the headset to have the same accessibility features for epileptics that phones have.

Interesting, I didn't know phones had general accessibility features for epileptics. Could you elaborate?

As I understand it, it monitors the screen and if there is flashing lights it makes that section of the screen much dimmer.

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Have you actually tried it though? I would be willing to buy this argument if anyone who actually used the device were reporting these issues.

I doubt they would fix issues like photophobia, or high light sensitivity.

Why is wearing this headset worse for light sensitivity than not wearing the headset?

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I really don't understand why nobody else has managed making decent touchpads. Is it not extremely high priority??

I have an XPS 15, the touchpad is fine. When I use a macbook I don't think "oh my god the touchpad is great", although that might just be because I'm too busy thinking "oh my god this OS is terrible".

Why does every comment chain devolve into this(although you admitted it)? Apple touch pads are an improvement over all other laptop brand touchpads. But then this fallacy is the only response.

"These rounded corners in the UI really make me not care about the touch pad"

"I wish I could care about touchpads, my ssd won't replace itself without a soldering iron though!"

"They have touchpads? I use a mouse"

Great. Apple touchpads are next generation compared to most other laptops.

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