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Automakers are starting to admit that drivers hate touchscreens

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Re: Automakers are starting to admit that drivers hate touchscreens

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im pretty sure nearly every single person in existence wants a tv that connects to the internet dude. people dont want to plug in an hdmi cord to access streaming services.

> im pretty sure nearly every single person in existence wants a tv that connects to the internet dude I'm guessing you've missed every thread here about Smart TVs. ref: https://hn.algolia.com/?q=smart+tv

Hackers are outlier

Re: Automakers are starting to admit that drivers hate touchscreens

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> I briefly have to look at the console, find the button, and press it. Are there no buttons on your car's steering wheel? Really, not even a horn? These can be pressed without even taking your hand off the wheel. And what about indicators, gear shifter, lights, parking brake? Do you "briefly have to look at the console" to find those?

> Are there no buttons on your car's steering wheel? Really, not even a horn?

Some of those old Citroën dashboards were mental (in a good way).

In a crowded field of craziness I'd personally have to place the Citroën Visa high up as bonkersiest of the bonkers.

Happy to hear other nominations though.

Re: Automakers are starting to admit that drivers hate touchscreens

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The problem is not a rotary encoder, but how the software handles the signals. That's what interrupts are for, the command should make it into the software queue basically instantly, ensuring commands aren't lost.

Shut up with your Silicon Valley nerd talk! Good old reliable polling. That's where it's at. 2 second response for a volume knob should be quick enough for anyone!

Oh great, why don't you just implement automotive user interfaces in PHP? ;)

"I'm not a real programmer. I throw together things until it works then I move on. The real programmers will say "Yeah it works but you're leaking memory everywhere. Perhaps we should fix that." I’ll just restart Apache every 10 requests." -Rasmus Lerdorf

"We have things like protected properties. We have abstract methods. We have all this stuff that your computer science teacher told you you should be using. I don't care about this crap at all." -Rasmus Lerdorf

Re: Automakers are starting to admit that drivers hate touchscreens

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This seems to be the head of the Subaru thread. If you have any hope at all for Subaru to get better at software development, abandon it here. Subaru is a high watermark in my career for: - "us-vs-them" fighting between "IT" and "Business" - Siloing of teams within IT - Team bloat / retention of non-operative team members

More please! Would love to know more

Here's some Subaru love from Damaskas Hollodan:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MXYKVfoJ2Gs

Re: Automakers are starting to admit that drivers hate touchscreens

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Saw the Impreza’s 2024 redesign, apparently Subaru missed the memo. https://www.carscoops.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/11/2024-Su... I recently test drove a Mazda, and while I’ve seen people online complain about their “commander knob” and lack of touch screen, I liked it pretty well. Screen up further on the dashboard is nice for glancing at maps.

I have a new miata, the touch screen is disabled above a certain speed. It's the worse of both worlds. Touch screen sometimes, jog wheel other times. The cursor on the screen lags so you're looking at the screen trying to figure out what is highlighted vs taking 1 second to touch the button you want. It's so bad I ripped out the screen and installed a 3rd party wireless carplay screen before the first car payment. It…

A have a 2016 Mazda3. The infotainment is useless, so I just leave it on the home page usually. I've ordered a CarPlay retrofit that uses the stock screen, wondering if the enabling/disabling behaviour will be the same it CarPlay.

Re: Automakers are starting to admit that drivers hate touchscreens

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Automakers admit? It's not theirs to admit to. Touchscreens are the only way to go. Buttons on phones went out years ago. I still have to look for buttons on my ICE car, and worse yet the buttons are hidden under the steering, have different tactile feel. And that's just this one manufacturer!

Re: Automakers are starting to admit that drivers hate touchscreens

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post #962

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> Are there no buttons on your car's steering wheel? Really, not even a horn?

Some of those old Citroën dashboards were mental (in a good way). In a crowded field of craziness I'd personally have to place the Citroën Visa high up as bonkersiest of the bonkers. Happy to hear other nominations though.

Think the facelifted GSA "Star Trek" dashboard was my favourite.

I liked the control clusters it had instead of stalks.

Re: Automakers are starting to admit that drivers hate touchscreens

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I wouldn't mind touchscreens as long as these imbecile developers would strictly limit UI response time to under 16ms. In no world where you're barrelling 3,000+ lbs of mass at tens of miles an hour should you be distracted by some moronic app or subsystem failing to respond in time because it was written by under-experienced software "engineers." Any software running as a part of a motor vehicle should be federally…

it's going to require a completely new type of hardware and software system from scratch. I don't think Tesla did that but they could have.

Re: Automakers are starting to admit that drivers hate touchscreens

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From a product and even financial standpoint, the trade-off doesn’t make sense. All the litigation that could occur due to accidents caused by a less safe design plus the reputational damage that an inexcellent product could cause to the brand sounds so expensive to me.

It seems carmakers have situated themselves fairly comfortably regarding liability. If a car hits someone in "the road" the victim immediately becomes a "jay walker" and it's their fault. Otherwise the driver made a mistake. Otherwise the DOT is at fault. It's nearly impossible to blame automakers for the damage their products do. A good example of this might be the lack of intuitive feedback regarding headlights. Mo…

> Still, despite a clear design defect and recognition by regulator agencies, no litigation is likely to occur.

I'm inclined to think it shouldn't. Cars are highly regulated. There are a great many very specific standards cars have to meet to be legal to sell for road use in most countries. There's stuff we all know about like crash testing for occupants, and more recently for pedestrians, but there's also weird stuff like cars not being allowed to have required lighting on movable bodywork in the US market[0].

I'd set a much higher bar for defective product claims when the design of the product is already subject to a great deal of specific regulation. Courts do not have expertise in car design and are probably worse at specifying design standards for cars than regulatory agencies staffed with experts and dedicated to that task. As you mention, there's a regulatory solution to the problem you're describing already in use in some countries.

[0] Exceptions to that one are occasionally granted on a case by case basis

Re: Automakers are starting to admit that drivers hate touchscreens

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The problem is that there is no rain sensor :)

Well, something is trying to make the wipers work automatically. It's just not very good at it.

It’s vision from the forward facing camera behind the rear view mirror (iirc)
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