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Re: Apple halted M2 chip production in January amid 'plummeting' Mac sales

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Post by aembleton »

rwalle wrote: post #213
snapcaster wrote: post #160

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I think "commodity" laptop manufacturers have successfully tricked people into thinking a laptop is a collection of integers (16gb RAM, N core processor, etc) but I have NEVER used a laptop even close to as performant as the m1 and m1 ultra based macbook pros. You really have to experience it to believe it, it literally never lags no matter what or is ever unresponsive regardless of what i'm doing. Not to mention the…

16GB is objectively better than 8GB in every way even if you compare across platforms, so yes it is correctly a numbers game

Doesn't the clockspeed of the RAM and the distance to the CPU matter?

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Post by DanBC »

alchemist1e9 wrote: post #590
wkat4242 wrote: post #435

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> AND a culture that's always willing to accommodate new people. Try getting a green card even as a trained European. Good luck :) Not that I'd ever be interested in living in the US. I prefer a country with a decent social security safety net and socialized healthcare. And where people can't just run around carrying guns. Spain is not perfect but I have way fewer things to worry about here. So I can relax and enjoy…

You are buying into a distorted image of the typical US population experience. Access to healthcare is pretty much instant and high quality for all but the very bottom of the society. 85%+ of the population can get an appointment within a day or two and if it’s urgent can access numerous urgent care clinics with almost no wait. Best I can tell for many European countries the situation is significantly worse in terms…

> Access to healthcare is pretty much instant and high quality for all but the very bottom of the society.

The US simultaneously under-treats poor people while over-treating rich people. This is why health outcomes in the US are so bad across a range of indicators.

Re: Apple halted M2 chip production in January amid 'plummeting' Mac sales

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Post by thenthenthen »

mgraupner wrote: post #65
izacus wrote: post #36

I was just buying a laptop for my family and the prices of MacBooks here in Europe are utterly crazy. The crappiest 8GB RAM (?!) 256SSD M2 Air model is 1650EUR. 1650EUR for a laptop that won't have enough ram to run the browser in two years. The 16GB model is rounded 2000EUR, which was before reserved for a high-end gaming laptops. It's bonkers.

Which country are we talking about? German M2 Air base model is 1499€ on apple.com and you can get it for ~1250€ at various retailers.

€ 1.518,85 in here (nl). Thats a lot. IIRC i bought my 2013 MBA 8gb in Germany because it was almost 200 eur cheaper than in neighbouring countries. Too bad that gap seems to have closed. I love seeing people freak out over my German QWERTZ keyboard.

Re: Apple halted M2 chip production in January amid 'plummeting' Mac sales

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Post by thenthenthen »

reaperducer wrote: post #420
izacus wrote: post #36

I was just buying a laptop for my family and the prices of MacBooks here in Europe are utterly crazy. The crappiest 8GB RAM (?!) 256SSD M2 Air model is 1650EUR. 1650EUR for a laptop that won't have enough ram to run the browser in two years. The 16GB model is rounded 2000EUR, which was before reserved for a high-end gaming laptops. It's bonkers.

1650EUR for a laptop that won't have enough ram to run the browser in two years. On what do you make that prediction? My 12-year-old MacBook Air runs Safari fine. I used it just this past weekend. I don't think an M2 is going to be unusable in 2025.

Came here to post the same. My 2013 MBA 8gb runs vscode + 100 firefox tabs ‘just fine’. Compiling takes ages though compared to a modern affordable non-apple laptop. But here in Europa the alternatives aren’t as affordable either anymore.

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Post by Krisando »

phatfish wrote: post #888
kevviiinn wrote: post #880

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Xenophobia and racism prevents that

Racism and xenaphobia of the native population has very little effect on migration if the reward for the migrants is enough. If a "developed" country wanted to stop migration they would work to raise the living standards at the source. There is less chance of that happening than removing xenaphobic behaviour from the natives however. Or the "developed" society becomes more brutal than the place the migrant are fleein…

> xenaphobia of the native population

People being afraid of the warrior princess is probably a good thing.

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Post by wildrhythms »

bombcar wrote: post #839
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #20

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I'm on an M1 MacBook Pro, and had to check settings to remember it's almost three years old. Zero issues, performs wonderfully, probably going to keep for at least another two.

The only downside for me with the original M1 was the lack of external monitor support like the previous Pro had. That’s been fixed with the M1 Max.

Can you be more specific? I dock my M1 Air to a 4k display all the time.

Re: Apple halted M2 chip production in January amid 'plummeting' Mac sales

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Post by wildrhythms »

zitterbewegung wrote: post #253
drooopy wrote: post #32

In my case, I feel that Apple has priced itself out of the EU market with the latest Macs and iDevices. The new base M2 Air begins at €1500 after taxes which is genuinely an absurd amount of money to ask for a device that comes with 8 GB and 256 GB of non-replaceable ram and ssd respectively. The cheapest iPhone 14 starts at a bit over €1000. My plan is to keep my entry-level M1 Air for a few more years and then I'm…

Honestly the best value is to buy a used or discounted M1 air. M2 on an air can throttle and the M1 base models even have a faster SSD.

I agree with this. I got the M1 Air as soon as it launched, it's insanely fast, there's no fan so there's no noise, and the battery goes for 15+ hours (granted I mostly just use the iTerm and a browser window).

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Post by PartiallyTyped »

PartiallyTyped wrote: post #660
Popcorn3865 wrote: post #554

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> FWIW, macs are high quality and last a long time. My own experience (4 MacBooks Pros) and that of providing MacBook Air and Pros to a dozen or so staff (with 50 or so on non-Mac kit) leads me to conclude this statement is not true. They are great as long as they work but no better in terms of longevity to equivalent kit from other manufacturers, at least in my limited, non-scientific, IMHO experience.

Maybe I am just very unlucky, but I'd add 2 more datapoints. - M1 mba, 1 usb port dead. - 15' mbp 2019, all ports dead. I have been told that the logicboard is dead, and they wanted 850 euro to replace it. I am fairly certain that the is actually the ports as they gave out one by one in the same manner the M1 mba's did.

that the issue with the MBP*

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Post by fastaguy88 »

kjs3 wrote: post #781
fastaguy88 wrote: post #344

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They should have said: "Just get a used Mac Mini". You can literally get them from macsales.com for less than $100. The intel machines have not gotten much faster, but their prices have dropped dramatically.

Looking there, what do you do with a 10yo Intel Mac Mini when Apple drops support for them (serious question)? If the answer is "load linux", then there are probably better intel based options.

You can use Open Core Legacy Patcher [0] to gain modern support for "unsupported" Macs.

[0] https://dortania.github.io/OpenCore-Legacy-Patcher/

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Post by scarface74 »

realusername wrote: post #949
scarface74 wrote: post #824

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How many test devices do you need to make sure your app works well from a high end Samsung to a shitty low end $150 unsubsidized phone? How slow is the emulator? How many Android versions do you have to test for because of the piss poor support for OS updates from Android manufacturers?

I never had that on Android but I experienced that with Apple actually! I had to get a second phone because the first one glitched and broke the developer mode, resetting it did not solve the issue. Apple support had no idea what caused the bug of course since there's no debug logs, this bug still exists right now if you are unlucky and is common on stackoverflow. > How slow is the emulator? How many Android versions…

There isn’t a Mac emulator, when you run in the simulator on x86 based Macs, it compiled the code to x86 and links against native libraries.

Of course it doesn’t even do that on ARM based Macs.

If you’re not testing on a wide variety of devices for Android or OS’s, how complex is this app?

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